Leo 2a7v and 122b+

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The conga-line doesn’t have spall liners, so that’s basically on whoever is shooting (i.e skill issue).

you cant shoot upper plate like in the leo a4/a5/a6 and get turret crew in Leo A7

Wha-? Do you mean the beak? Yea, you can’t do that unless you have one of the more potent shells… but you know what you can do? SHOOT THE UPPER PLATE AND JUST KILL IT LMAO, because it cannot ricochet APFSDS like on the 2A4/5/6 etc (and it’s a bigger area as well).

You had 3+ years to adjust with Strv 122s, and you didn’t, and you whine that a significantly less armoured vehicle is somehow a problem lmao.

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Again
Best Round
Best turret
Amazing mobility
Gun depression
Strong SPAA
And that is only for Germans, with Sweden is even more
3 amazing MBTs (4 if you add Finish Leo a6)
Good SPAA
Best plane
Very good top tier LT
And they are paired together most of the time…

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Roland turret at 11.3

Strong spaa

Pick one.

Not to mention that 2A5 and 2A6 have 10.3 hull that can be penned by 3BM22, leaving 2A7 as the only “armored” german top tier mbt.

Wont even touch the mess thats PSO.

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ok go make bug report for your main tanks and try to make them better

so not Russian

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Ok my German mains if you are so sure about your points just try to play against your own weapon, and see how it feels

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because i literaly didnt play enough to unlock more then 1 tree

yes because Strv122 have way better armor and gen 3 commander thermals as well.
You genius were comparing 2a6 to 2a7v, the Strv122s are all better then the german tanks and even the 2A7V
Its you who dont see clear

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I’ll list all the issues with that statement

Best dart is true, but i have no idea what you mean best turret
Protection wise t-90m is more consistent

You did not just call the flarakrad good
That thing shoots rolands at top tier

Yea sweden has good mbts im not refuting that

Ito is fine, gripen id good for CAP but not best by any margin

Cv-90/120 is fine. The gun works, thermals are nice, but its nothing special

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has the worst BVR at top tier

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Germany was literally playing against its own tanks for 3 years thanks to sweden not only having better leopard 2s (strv122s) but literally having the best german mbt prior to PSO and 2A7 in form of finish 2A6

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I play against it in the Type 90 w/JM33 (and I still manage 2.4 K/D against them), what’s your excuse?

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Yea as i said, good but not the best

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Mid Spaa, its the worst of the “best” spaas, tor m1, pantsir and ito 90m are all better

we are not fighting sweden, but your bullshit about germany with 1 good tank is just wrong

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its quite easy, because we actualy know the weakpoints lol

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Based samurai

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lower front plate on left kills the driver and who ever is behind in the turret at that time and funny thing no spall liner protecting the driver

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Imo the only viable way to “nerf” Leopards is to actually model them correctly meaning that when a shell enters its side of the turret the shot doesnt just magically avoid EVERY component (PSO quite often does that) and disappears. On the other hand them shooting anything else if it penetrates, in tha case of russians you ded. In the case of Abrams you usually survive but only for the next 6 or so seconds until he reloads and than you ded. Also those frontal shots between the turret and the hull that just go straight through the whole tank without ANY sort of spalling or damaging anything and out of the other side (maybe the radiator or the engine gets hit) and then you ded. No need to lower the armor because you can pen them just fine if you aim correctly nore they need to get a shell removed because they need to pen stuff aswell. Just a correct model where the shell cant just go through a tank or enter the tank and magically disolve itself.

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Apparently germans reverse engineered BVMs relikt bags, shame no one told me when i play leo 2s

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Yea they figured out how effective cardboard is at stoping anti tank projectiles lmao

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If you think those are easy to pen, you should try the challenger 2s.

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Those are british, so they must suffer the pain of a thousand [non penetration]

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