Leo 2a7v and 122b+

has the worst BVR at top tier

Germany was literally playing against its own tanks for 3 years thanks to sweden not only having better leopard 2s (strv122s) but literally having the best german mbt prior to PSO and 2A7 in form of finish 2A6

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I play against it in the Type 90 w/JM33 (and I still manage 2.4 K/D against them), what’s your excuse?

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Yea as i said, good but not the best

Mid Spaa, its the worst of the “best” spaas, tor m1, pantsir and ito 90m are all better

we are not fighting sweden, but your bullshit about germany with 1 good tank is just wrong

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its quite easy, because we actualy know the weakpoints lol

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Based samurai

lower front plate on left kills the driver and who ever is behind in the turret at that time and funny thing no spall liner protecting the driver

Imo the only viable way to “nerf” Leopards is to actually model them correctly meaning that when a shell enters its side of the turret the shot doesnt just magically avoid EVERY component (PSO quite often does that) and disappears. On the other hand them shooting anything else if it penetrates, in tha case of russians you ded. In the case of Abrams you usually survive but only for the next 6 or so seconds until he reloads and than you ded. Also those frontal shots between the turret and the hull that just go straight through the whole tank without ANY sort of spalling or damaging anything and out of the other side (maybe the radiator or the engine gets hit) and then you ded. No need to lower the armor because you can pen them just fine if you aim correctly nore they need to get a shell removed because they need to pen stuff aswell. Just a correct model where the shell cant just go through a tank or enter the tank and magically disolve itself.

Apparently germans reverse engineered BVMs relikt bags, shame no one told me when i play leo 2s

Yea they figured out how effective cardboard is at stoping anti tank projectiles lmao

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If you think those are easy to pen, you should try the challenger 2s.

Those are british, so they must suffer the pain of a thousand [non penetration]

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Honestly.

I love how germany gets ONE competetive MBT for the first time in three years that just combines firepower and protection of tanks that were already in the game for three years and the entire playerbase is malding.

I like how 2a7 are harder to kill than bvm and have 0 downsides unlike bvm, but bvm was broken and 2a7 are just fine)

Eh 2a7 has weakspots though

Its western so it must be OP by default because none else is capable of building tanks i guess

Literally the biggest difference between 2A7 and 2A5/2A6 (and even PSO to some extent) is fact that its UFP can no longer be lol penned by russian rounds. 2A7 still has the exact same weakspots as Strv122 which is in game for three years already

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Yea a 122 with the L/55 is so gamebreaking (ussr mains cant aim)

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And literally anyone but russians is too incompetwnt to make ERA that can resist KE rounds. Silly brits and their giant blocks of aluminium.