Ldircm , Rcs for helis and probable solution

ldircm should get realist protection bubbles, it should be limited to intercepting some missiles in a time limit like in real life(realism), ldircm should be fooled by radar missiles too(for the whole time until it gets multipathed or kills the heli)(realism again)
Also helis should have a radar signature and dont deflect missiles like its nothing above multipath level

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The fact that heli radar return is still not modeled is insane.

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Let alone the fact that most SAM ARH missiles aren’t affected by MP IRL and it should be much lower for most aircraft

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I can understand why multipathing is a mechanic.

The pardon my french here, simply moronic decision to air battles higher than 10.0 in lobbies bigger than 8 vs 8 made muultipathing a necessity. Combine that with the maps that don’t allow for terrain masking simply because they are flat and you have plane with missiles like the R77 that somewhat have to rely on multipathing to even get within their engagement zone.

The issues with Helis on the other hand is that Gaijin is modelling the LDIRCM as a deathbubble for missiles, knowing full well that they only work against Gen 3 seekers (this is from advertisement material from the manufacturer). Furthermore they allow a bottom mounted laser to deflect missiles coming from above.

But alas, the people at gaijin really don’t care about realism. This game turns more and more into a russian nationalists fever dream. 90% or players are searching for games with russia at top tier and gaijin is doing fuck all against that.

Perhaps smaller team sizes will help, but I think It was just a crutch they added that needs dropping again. Was never an issue before F14 and later the Mig29 was added at which point MP was added.

But the ability of any Heli to be immune to half the top tier SAMs by A) hovering at 50m and B) dropping chaff whilst hovering still, which renders them 100% immune is nonsense.

Though even with aircraft in ARB, being immune to a SARH is really annoying in SARH trucks

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Helis are barely usable in game. If you nerf them they’ll just be too bad to use

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they are more than usable in game, especially ldircm ones

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only the Ldircm ones are usable right now. You’re trying to remove the one thing that still makes them a bit competitive

They really should model the Giant Fan going close to mach on PD Radars as a starter.

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Nope. LDRICM should be added for the nations that didn’t get them. There has to be some form of export or domestic helicopters with them. If you just nerf it then nobody gets usable helis

The way to balance is not to blindly nerf but to give everyone equal footing

MP is not reason why you miss helis

bit competative? they are inmune to all types of missiles from the new aas expect if you get lucky , other helis have no significant problems . take a regural chopper behind a hill, fire a hellfire or atgm to see where air defences are with munition spectating ,and then fire and pop up in the last seconds of guidence,its a very efective method that makes all helis compatative

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can you elaborate more?

Helicopter blade radar return being not modeled is actually ridiculous. Technically the blades should also be modeled in the damage model too, despite the difficulty in doing so properly.

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helis are just notching your missile. it doesnt need to go multipath.

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Rendering multiple SAMs unusable because the heli has a magical shield is kinda BS. Especially as its a total work of fiction.

Now whether they should make IRIS-T which is immune to LDIRCM accurate is a debate to be had, but what should not be in question is modeling it so that each emitter can only engage 1 missile at a time. Fire enough missiles and you will overwhelming the defences.

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A hovering aircraft (Heli or vtol jet) is the exact same as being in a perfect 90 degree notch as they have 0 velocity and therefore arent detectable on a PD radar.

So all it takes at that point is 1x chaff and the missile is spoofed

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Wouldnt work if you will stay still tho
Especially with buk ig