It’s not a fact. It’s another drivel by a low skilled US main. You want facts? The Tiger II is NOT enough “If YoU kNoW wHaT yOu’Re DoInG”. Slow acceleration, turning kills your speed etc.
7.5 is spaded, it’s like arguing Leopards have a 6 second reload so they’re better than the T-80U when in fact, most Leopards will not have a spaded crew so their reload is not 6 seconds. Best I got is a 7.9 seconds reload with a maxed crew (150) just not spaded. Heavy tanks with a longer reload also have a round that’s more destructive and/or pens more.
Regarding turret rotation, it’s obvious you’ve never played Germany and only looked at the stat card. The difference between the Panther and the Tiger II (H) is that the H has a shitty turret that even slightly turned will give your opponent a guaranteed kill. The Panther does not have this issue. Neither does the T29, its closest competitor (which in fact IS faster and has a better gun, also more armor).
Yes, and? Unless you move on the moment you finish spading a vehicle, you will spend most of your playtime with it in a spaded configuration. If you want to judge the Tiger II in stock configuration then you have to do the same with all its opponents as well.
Firepower is not flat pen. Most of the time you’re better off firing twice with the KwK43 than once with the PAK 44, even if the latter has more pen and more filler (which is way more important than pen).
Yes, it’s obvious. Just look at the screenshot above.
The triangle shaped plates next to the mantlet are a weakspot, the mantlet is a shot trap, and so is the cupola. By the way, none of this pertains in any manner to the fact that we were discussing targeting speed, which is an offensive aspect, not a survivability aspect.
You can pen the T29 in the gun mantlet, just as it can pen you, which typically results in a one shot on both sides. You can also frontally kill it through the MG port or the corners of the lower front plate. As anyone who’s ever played the Tiger II against T29s knows perfectly well.
But what do I know? It’s not like German 6.7 is my most played BR in this game, or anything.
Yeah, everything you just said points to you not knowing anything and that ss being fake. As in not yours. First of all, to get a spaded Tiger 2 H you need 570K RP. Unless you’re addicted or a masochist, most players get it complete and move on. And I meant a crew spade, since no module affects crew reload on the Tiger.
Whenever did I say flat pen? And yes, firepower DOES include flat pen. Because flat pen does indicate, to a degree, how much armor you can pen. And I never mentioned anything about the Pak.
We’re discussing the effects of turret rotation, in case you can’t figure it out. The Tiger II is far more affected by the turret rotation speed. And yes, turret rotation speed is also a survivability aspect. If you’re pointing the wrong way, even a much weaker opponent will kill you.
And no, just because you think you’ll pen the gun mantlet, does not mean you will. The T29 mantlet is a notorious troll. The Tiger 2 turret is just a wall, you can pen it pretty easily. Let’s see how you’ll target the hull when you can’t kill it. And a rushed shot (for example you fighting 2 opponents) can still bounce off the hull. Nice try, I guess.
Exactly, you don’t know anything. Go back to complaining the american props are overtiered.
Dude, stop embarrassing yourself. We here in the forum have literally the same usernames as we do in the game. You can look me up for yourself using my username, either in game or on TS. Here you go. Try and tell me I’m a US main now.
Or - and there’s a third option - you simply enjoy playing the vehicle, so you keep doing it. Or do you really think everyone just races to top tier? 6.7 Germany is my favourite BR and I’m hardly the only player to stick to a tier they enjoy rather than keep up the grind.
You said there are guns from other heavies at that BR with higher penetration. Which is true. But you neglected to add they have slower reloads. Which is a significant factor of firepower where the Tiger II shines and that you’re choosing to neglect because it punctures your argument.
Desync affects everyone. In the Tiger II, I’ve survived shots that should have killed me, just like I’ve been screwed out of shots that should have killed my opponent. The point stands. Never had an issue penning the gun mantlet of a T29.
Check how many matches I have with US air, please. Make my day. ❤️
Desync? Are you kidding me? It’s not about desync and you know it.
Can you read? I said this (literal quote): “Heavy tanks with a longer reload also have a round that’s more destructive and/or pens more”. So no, I did not neglect, I specifically mentioned this. Nice selective reading. The Tiger 2 doesn’t shine, it’s average when it comes to reloads. I’d rather take the T29 over the Tiger II any day.
The rest of what you say is, again, us main drivel. GL, you’re going to need it with that low IQ.
T-54 isn’t better than 7.7-8.0 tanks right now. The Lorraine/AMX-50 series are about as good IMO but not weak enough to be facing Tiger 2s regularly. The T-54 is being heavily overrated here.
All of this while T-54 (1951) is lighter, smaller, faster and more agile.
Meanwhile, a Lorraine 40t will be faster and lighter than Tiger II, and even be able to penetrate its turret and with a quicker rate of fire; but at least it can’t penetrate its hull, while Tiger II can penetrate it frontally with ease, making it a balanced situation.
In terms of T-54s, the only one I find fine for Tiger II to face is the 1947 one, which has far worse turret armor and lacks APDS/HEATFS, making it an actually balanced counterpart which, also, would have faced in real life had the war kept going on for a couple more years… unlike the 1951 variant.
Are we back to basing everything about a tank down to its armor? Is “it can be .50 cal’d!” going to become the next new fun thing to say to defend undertiered vehicles again?
There are other aspects of the tanks that make it how I described in my last post. Such as their guns, mobility, soft stats, etc.
Lorraine 40t can only penetrate Tiger II on the turret, while T-54 can slice through Tiger II’s entire profile like a hot knife through butter; while Tiger II can lolpen Lorraine 40t and yet is incapable of penetrating a single mm of T-54 (1951)'s front armor.
On a Tiger II, I would rather face 5x Lorraine 40ts over a single T-54 (1941).
Tiger II is currently very good anyways, doesnt need a buff. HEAT-FS is quite literally found at 4.0 and up, there isnt any way to stop it while keeping the tanks with it viable. HEAT-FS and other high pen rounds are meant to be the counter to heavy armor. Yes. They do struggle in uptiers, but thats not unique to them, or any other heavy tank for that matter.
Sorry to break your bubble, but APDS is at reserve tier and up, and HEAT-FS is found at 4.0+. Do you want the Ikv 103 moved to 8.0? The PT-76?
Viecles are where they are because of their capabilities. The late WW2 heavies such as the KT2H are where they are because they are good enough to be at that BR. Hell, the KT2H has a solid 2.8 K/D, is that not good enough for you?
I fail to see how this is even related to me referring to late-war heavies and the role they’re forced into. Something that seemed to fly over your head completely.
Desync is one of the main causes of shots behaving weirdly from the player’s perspective, alongside volumetric, which the Tiger II benefits from just as much as the T29.
You claimed it’s not important to firepower. I very much disagree.
What other heavy tank in this BR range has a better reload? The Somua and the Surbaissè, but they’re both 7.7 (and in spite of this, the Tiger II can deal with both from the front, again not something every heavy can say about heavies 1 BR up).
Good for you. I’ll stick to the Tiger II and all the nukes it’s won me.
Source your claim. How many matches do I have with Germany in Ground RB, how many do I have with the US?
Make.
My.
Day.
My low IQ is apparently enough to allow me to count and see that you have many more matches with the USA than I do, and way fewer matches at German 6.7 than I do. Man, you’re really just having a tough day, aren’t you, buddy? 😌
