T-54 isn’t better than 7.7-8.0 tanks right now. The Lorraine/AMX-50 series are about as good IMO but not weak enough to be facing Tiger 2s regularly. The T-54 is being heavily overrated here.
T-54 (1951)'s shell vs Tiger II’s armor:
Tiger II’s shell vs T-54 (1951)'s armor:
All of this while T-54 (1951) is lighter, smaller, faster and more agile.
Meanwhile, a Lorraine 40t will be faster and lighter than Tiger II, and even be able to penetrate its turret and with a quicker rate of fire; but at least it can’t penetrate its hull, while Tiger II can penetrate it frontally with ease, making it a balanced situation.
In terms of T-54s, the only one I find fine for Tiger II to face is the 1947 one, which has far worse turret armor and lacks APDS/HEATFS, making it an actually balanced counterpart which, also, would have faced in real life had the war kept going on for a couple more years… unlike the 1951 variant.
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Are we back to basing everything about a tank down to its armor? Is “it can be .50 cal’d!” going to become the next new fun thing to say to defend undertiered vehicles again?
There are other aspects of the tanks that make it how I described in my last post. Such as their guns, mobility, soft stats, etc.
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In terms of firepower as well.
Lorraine 40t can only penetrate Tiger II on the turret, while T-54 can slice through Tiger II’s entire profile like a hot knife through butter; while Tiger II can lolpen Lorraine 40t and yet is incapable of penetrating a single mm of T-54 (1951)'s front armor.
On a Tiger II, I would rather face 5x Lorraine 40ts over a single T-54 (1941).
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Sweden™
Japan™
Also Isreal™
Tiger II is currently very good anyways, doesnt need a buff. HEAT-FS is quite literally found at 4.0 and up, there isnt any way to stop it while keeping the tanks with it viable. HEAT-FS and other high pen rounds are meant to be the counter to heavy armor. Yes. They do struggle in uptiers, but thats not unique to them, or any other heavy tank for that matter.
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Sorry to break your bubble, but APDS is at reserve tier and up, and HEAT-FS is found at 4.0+. Do you want the Ikv 103 moved to 8.0? The PT-76?
Viecles are where they are because of their capabilities. The late WW2 heavies such as the KT2H are where they are because they are good enough to be at that BR. Hell, the KT2H has a solid 2.8 K/D, is that not good enough for you?
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I fail to see how this is even related to me referring to late-war heavies and the role they’re forced into. Something that seemed to fly over your head completely.
Oh, myb
Definitely misinterpreted it kekw
Tbf WT will never see the so-called invincible heacy tank playstyle in late-war tanks, simply not possible due to balance
Desync is one of the main causes of shots behaving weirdly from the player’s perspective, alongside volumetric, which the Tiger II benefits from just as much as the T29.
You claimed it’s not important to firepower. I very much disagree.
What other heavy tank in this BR range has a better reload? The Somua and the Surbaissè, but they’re both 7.7 (and in spite of this, the Tiger II can deal with both from the front, again not something every heavy can say about heavies 1 BR up).
Good for you. I’ll stick to the Tiger II and all the nukes it’s won me.
Source your claim. How many matches do I have with Germany in Ground RB, how many do I have with the US?
Make.
My.
Day.
My low IQ is apparently enough to allow me to count and see that you have many more matches with the USA than I do, and way fewer matches at German 6.7 than I do. Man, you’re really just having a tough day, aren’t you, buddy? 😌
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with poor damaging HEAT and APDS yes… its not a perfect solution and these vehicles would be your max uptier regardless.
It’s 8.0
Give the ww2 heavies drones so they can see better.This would be fun and stay in canon with Warthunders idea of realism.
Simple evaluation of a GOOD tank in war thunder.
A killer on a downtier, a above average tank on a even match and can hold his own on a uptier.
Many WW2 heavies will do this…
BTW…“hold his own” means being able to kill reasonably (not needing a pinpoint shot) MOST enemies in the match.
You can always find a matchup with a +1BR tank that ANY tank will struggle with…but ON AVERAGE KT and most WW2 heavies are fine. And when they are not bottom tier they are very good.
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Do people even play to win in the post war era or just use it as a stepping pass through to the modern age?
Agreed. And something like a Tiger II has an easier time than other heavies.
Depends on the individual player. I know players who find heavies boring and want to spend only the minimal necessary amount of time grinding around 6.7 so they can move on. One of my close friends on the other hand plays every BR but likes 7.7 the most, whereas I never go above 7.7 and I consider 6.7 to be my favourite.
We all play for our own reasons, at the end of the day.
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No, it’s just not possible cause there aren’t enough weapons at that Tier that can frontally engage it. The closest being T29, T34, M26 Pershings. While other nations at the moment simply do not have one in the game. All you’d need to do is focus on the minor nation and give them a WW2 Heavy tank that could effectively engage other Late War Heavies. Whether this is armor or just a glass cannon. But this just depends on Gaijin’s willingness to add certain Paper Designs that were either rumored or built to some extent or factories were preparing to produce it. But time will tell I suppose.
I just hate that ww2 /post war crossover, its a pure passion killer so I am toying with the idea of simply rolling through it to around 8_9 and seeing if the grass is greener in the land of the T54 etc
Just because the ammo is good, doesn’t mean the tank is for Sweden.
I was referring to the fact that most of those nations tanks are cold war around that BR, and have no ww2/early cold war things that can be put there, not sweden specifically.
It’s not desync. It’s not. No matter how much you scream, it’s not.
Quote me where I claimed that. Fucking quote it or sictir.
Yeah, you’ll stick with the Tiger II and arrive at the battlefield when Jesus will come on Earth a second time. While the Maus arrives at the end of the Solar System.
Your words are enough of a source. I’ve never heard (or almost never, I’m playing WT since 2020) someone cry so loud about how the Tiger II is a wonderful tank.
Yeah, I almost reached the end of the line for the US. And yes, I passed 6.7 faster than you. Congrats. And I’m not your buddy, I would never be friends with someone so limited.