Laser bombs haven't been working properly for a month now

[StayLacking]

I just had this problem on my F117. In a match where I dropped my pave way, and it lost track halfway through. I go to test flight and drop a bomb at 5km, and it loses track as well. This is frustrating

[justhulldown]

A bit late but they still are not fixed yet. I figured you can hit the target if you dive but it lost the purpose of using guided bombs and made you an easy target for SPAA.

[Calamitist]

5 fucking months and those morons didn’t fix this bug

[CHARM_3]

and challenger 2’s still have accepted bug reports for around 3 years.

[ItsGaryy]

Trophy system on the Merkavas was broken for almost 2 years before being fixed lel

[Max_L523]

Looks like they fixed the laser bombs.😛
Try it yourself

[xTample]

Is it working?

[Morvran]

Actually looks to be.

[Max_L523]

Yes, all laser bombs are working as they should now. Gszabi’s datamine also confirms this.

[SilentTracker]

@Morvran

Actually looks to be.

Oh my goodness, I was waiting for your report to see if they finally got fixed!

[Morvran]

They seem to be terrible with actually updating reports these days. Though another, slightly older russian report did get updated

[SilentTracker]

Some new bug reports, not sure if these are detailing new issues, but going to post a quote from @sυρεrβυsτεr . Also, sυρεrβυsτεr I would recommend posting any updates or further info you get here so that more of the people tracking and reporting this issue see your info as well 👍

@Morvran pinging you to double make sure you see this post 👇

Going to ping everyone from the other thread about Laser Bomb issues, as this thread is the more active one now @ww2planes @XItsBalanceX-live @J-16D_PLA @onefineman @Elijah1573 @Flogger_cbs @Kdesmo

@sυρεrβυsτεr

@Stona_WT

Some time ago, we discovered that air-to-ground missiles and guided bombs with laser seekers that lacked an uncaging feature were frequently missing their targets. As soon as the projectiles approached the laser seeker’s lock-on range, they began to change direction, losing energy and ultimately landing in a completely different location. We fixed the bug that caused this issue and also added a wind-stabilization mechanism to the aerodynamically stabilized laser seekers. These seekers now are always pointed in the same direction as the projectile’s velocity vector during flight, preventing them from losing their target unnecessarily.

This is broken. Currently, the distance to the target that guarantees a hit has dropped to less than 6 km. Beyond this distance, the bomb or missile does not follow the laser, for example GBU-10, GBU-12, and AGM-123 Skipper.

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[Morvran]

Ive not done extensive testing, but was working a week or so ago. I’ll keep an eye out

[Elijah1573]

Since they released the patch its been working correctly here

[sυρεrβυsτεr]

@zapchenk7

[Coffee_is_GAS]

I don’t use laser GBUs much, so I’m not sure, but it still hasn’t been fixed?

[sυρεrβυsτεr]

Maybe it’s broken again, who knows?

[Coffee_is_GAS]

Schrödinger’s GBU…

[SilentTracker]

Another report about the Skippers:

@zapchenk7

A-6E TRAN has what should be some good missiles . AGM123 skipper I grt my plane up to 4 or 5 kl Then drop a missile about 7 kl out from target Then I pull off a little ,change direction keeping my scope on the target and laser indicator is viable on the target .but waiting for the bomb to hit ,well it never happens .some times short some times long and no obvious reason Missiles have 20 kl locking range and 70 sec guidance time it should work .If you can tell what I’m doing wrong would be a big help

@sυρεrβυsτεr thanks for pointing them this way 👍

[SilentTracker]

@CalvinAz quoting it here for you friend 👍 (Send me a DM again if anything needs to be edited or updated.)

@sυρεrβυsτεr @zapchenk7 check out this info from @CalvinAz 👇

@CalvinAz

Message I wanted to send:

Is this just about laser guided weapons not tracking when designating from long ranges? Because afaik that’s not a bug, and this has been the case for at least years now. I found out, with in-game testing, laser acquisition ranges of LGWs drop with longer Laser Target Designator to Target (LTD-TGT) ranges. This is to simulate Laser energy dropping off over distance.

This I made using in-game tests like 1-2 years ago now?

This means for instance that roughly speaking, if your weapon has a 4.5km seeker range in the weapon file (I call it the nominal acquisition range), it means that it can only pick up a laser spot from up to 4.5km if and only if you are designating from 4.5km as well, but if you’re say 9km away, the laser seeker range drops to ~2.25km. Seeker range bottoms out at roughly ~700m or so, it never goes lower than that, but unless you’re pinpoint accurate with your drop, you usually need like 2-3km of laser tracking range for a hit, on the higher end if the target is also moving.

I’ve tested a bit again and behavior of this is still the same:

Spoiler

GB1000 has 6km seeker range:
Test 1: Seeker goes to TRK at ~8.3km with a designation distance of ~4.3km
According to expected 1/x graph: 1/(4.3km/6km) * 6km = 8.3km


for some reason I am not getting distance to my own aircraft in sensor view.
Also I noticed that the missile spreadsheet mentions a hard limit on seeker range too, that’s not correct afaik, because as you can see here, it can be exceeded (wildly impractical however).

Test 2: Seeker goes to TRK at ~3km (I mistimed the pause, but it was at ~3km first) with designation distance of ~11.8km
According to data: 1/(11.81km/6) * 6 = 3.05km

So everything still seems to work properly. I’ve looked at the footage, and it’s clearly user error:

CCIP already tells you the missile will be falling way too short, the missile in this case isn’t able to track right off the launch, which was done at like 8km. In the video the A-6E didn’t even get within 4.8km to the target (before the restart), so in all cases LTD-TGT was > 1, hence LGW-TGT was < 1, or less than 4.8km, which the Skipper never reached either. This allowed the Skipper to stay unguided for long enough to essentially be just an unguided bomb. Even if allowed to continue further, and the A-6E to get within LTD-TGT < 1 range, the Skipper was already nosediving, so very unlikely that the laser spot was still within FOV.

Whereas in the second try, he is diving on the target at close range (about 5km) compared to the seeker nominal acquisition range (4.8km), so of course it tracks, it essentially has no time to pull off the target whilst still in SRC mode.