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Sounds like a you problem. You have the tools and are choosing not to use them.
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I don’t care for planes and don’t wonna play them, forcing me it’s just bad game design… Regardless ground vehicles should always have the advantage in their own mode. The Albatross can learn how to deal with radar SPAAGs
Doesn’t need to. Point your CCIP at them and they explode.
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You do you my man
It is a tutel, so yes it kinda does…
And the weakspot on this tank is gun housing, the outside armor plate of the turret, and all the tank on the side and back. This can be killed in a 1v1 by a M1 Stuart, you know. In my last few games my worst enemy was actually M53/59. It breaks both my tracks (even one is enough, the turn rate on a single track is just horrible), and just turn around.
Good, something with armor and a somewhat good HP. It’s just a tutel with more horsepower and a bit less armor.
Did you ever played it before the BR decompression ? It cannot do anything against any stabilised tank. Especially some with APFSDS. The concept of armor change with the BR, because God, we could put the Obj-279 at 10.0 if we wants.
Waw. Very good reason. Let’s put M56 and M50 at 9.7.
It is stupid, it’s main selling points is the mobility and armor; putting it higher means worst mobility than other tank, and face tanks with much better barrel (stab, APFSDS, HEAT, APDS way more often). This is a heavy tank without turret. If you use a somwhat brain or strategy, you will notice that the most feared tank by the Ho-Ri in my opinion is Jumbos or big barreled guns.
light tank and medium don’t have the best shell to pen heavy tank. That is the nature of the tank. So if you cry because the worst 90mm in game that you face in full downtier can’t pen it (even tho the transmission can be pen, aka death for a turret-less tank), it’s you. Use another heavy, or a ‘tank destroyer’. Or change shell, US 90mm at this BR almost all have either enough pen on the APHE or access to HEAT.
PS: why are you using the M47 APHE against a armored target when you have APDS, 2 different APCR and HEAT. I think you clearly found out other shells can go trough and you took the shell with the worst pen haha. Maybe the AP one won’t but you still have 3 other types of shells.
My bad, I wasn’t replying to Fizzy but to @YEARoftheABRAMS .
Tell that to the 105mm APHE round entering your crew compartment.
Which is upwards of 200mm, and color me shocked the side is a weakspot, like nigh every tank.
You misunderstood. It is incredibly fast for its armor, and definitely does not belong at 7.3.
Now look at a 6.3/7 tank vs Ho-Ri, a good chunk of which cannot pen its “turret”. One tank “suffering” (Ho-Ri will not suffer at 7.7) is better than a whole BR bracket being heavily impacted by one tank/plane.
279 doesn’t have 10.0 characteristics. Better armor is found at 9.3 with T-72s. Ho-Ri however, does have 7.7 characteristics.
Your overreaction to a reasonable concept as well as taking what I say out of proper context doesn’t help your argument. M56/M50 do not have 9.7 characteristics and do not have armor.
And maybe that mobility/armor is too good for 7.3? Or do you not realize it because you want to keep abusing a busted tank that gives you twice as good stats vs your other tanks? It will still be good at 7.7, mind you. I’m not asking for it to be 8.7.
Jumbos? Lmao. By big barreled guns I assume you mean Howitzers, which are one of the few tanks at lower BRs to not struggle heavily with killing it. And they have no armor, so you can just click on them in return. A more feared tank would be the likes of IS-4M, which Ho-Ri can struggle against, but so does the IS-4 against you.
Except there is a reason behind this. Heavy tanks are slow, so these tanks have positioning advantage. In the case of Ho-Ri, they don’t. See the problem?
Transmission =/= death. And the 90mm is not the only gun to struggle with Ho-Ri. An overwhelming majority of the guns at the BR struggle heavily with the Ho-Ri, and it would not suffer at 7.7.
“You should use another tank because a single tank is ruining the BR” What a joke. US Short 90 doesn’t have enough pen on the APHE, you need to use HEAT/APCR and put three shots minimum into the Ho-Ri before it dies.
You know its real funny that Ho-Ri has some of the highest global stats, even though it isn’t a rare vehicle possessed by skilled players. Every person defending or playing the Ho-Ri has significantly better stats in it vs balanced tanks that they use. Maybe, just maybe, it is undertiered.
As for L-39, it only exaggerated the problem due to people using the Ho-Ri along with it.
thats just a straight up lie, of all of the 6.7 tanks (because youre gonna be seeing those more often than 6.3, because of how few there are)(also we’re not counting spaa and howitzers) the ones that cant pen without using apcr (as in thats their only option, no heat or apds) are, the m26, t26e5, m26 t99, t44, object 218 might struggle so its on the list, the italian and french m26. thats 7 vehicles, out of 38 tanks. again these are 6.7 tanks, pretty much every single 7.3 that isnt a howitzer, can go through the front super structure. people dont, because they dont aim there, instead half of the shots you take, are at the hull, where not much outside of 300+ heatfs can pen, so most bounce.
also, the reason the Ho-ri does so well stat wise, is because japan same with italy, are the hardest tree’s to grind, bad players DONT GET TO THIS SPOT, theyre either forced out, or learn. there is a reason why japan has the notion for having the most skilled players, because you gotta be to even get past 4.0
and finally, simple solution to the l39, remove the zuni’s, decrease the number of hydra’s, problem solved.
Ho-Ri used to be 7.7 and it was awful,noone played it.
Mb on that part, I had angled Ho-Ri turret in mind. So just add in “when angled” after the last word in that sentence.
There is a lack of 7.3s in game but the same angling applies. Also, i’ve been analyzing the shots people take at me, and 90% of them were to the turret. Now this is anecdotal evidence, just like what you said is.
Except what I said still applies. Maybe there is a reason for it having SIGNIFICANTLY better stats vs its own peers at JP 7.3.
Do they really though? While it is true minor nation players are slightly better than major nation ones, it is not by very much. And there is still plenty of noobs playing it. You aren’t “built different” for playing Japan, and they don’t suffer at many BRs either. Every rank has atleast 1 good lineup to grind with.
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Absolutely a valid take.
Is this even true…
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Maybe… avoid getting shot ?
if you got the transmission while the Ho-Ri reload in 10 sec, it’s game ove for him.
It is REALLY thin. <35mm. if you take others heavy, it shows something way better.
doesnt belonger higher. this thing cannot do anything against HEAT and stabilised tanks, especially at longer range.
Nooooo a heavy tank in downtier… Ksn’t that how a HEAVY tank was designed for ? That’s stupid, every heavy or medium tank around that BR in full downtier will have enemies struggling to pen you.
Kinda does. Lot of armor, not often faced, good mobility. IT’s turret armor can stop APFSDS while the hull can’t, unless it’s a bad one. Just as the Ho-Ri Prod. Fast, armored, bad canon can’t pen, but others can if they somewhat know the trick of the armor, good APHE to stay away of.
If we consider the tanks that cannot pen him at 6.3 that he won’t face in a BR change to 7.7 vs the tank that will abuse the Ho-Ri for a full uptier (to 8.7):
Germany 6.3: a single tank cannot pen it (jagdpanther)
Germany 8.7: tank such as Turm III that is the most bought premium is everywhere, VT1-2 (big fraud at this BR I think), JaPzK A2, Jaguar 2. that’s 4, all of the 8.7
USSR 6.3: the T-34 STP is a menace in the same way as the M4A3E2 76. T-44 FM. That’s a single one.
USSR 8.7: T-62, BMP-2 will obliterate it, same of Obj 685, IT-1, Shturm-S, Obj 140. That’s 6.
I won’t go around all countries, but as you can see, without talking about heli’s, it is a drastic change. 100% of the 8.7 pen it.
UK: all 6.3 can pen it.
UK 8.7 that can pen it: Chieftain mk 3 and 5, ZA-35 the annihilator, vickers mk11, rooikat 1D. that’s all of them, 100% of 8.7 is a menace
China 6.3: all can pen it but the ZSL92, mainly because that’s a SPAA. But can still ddestroy abrrel and go on the side. So that’s 0.5.
China 8.7 that will abuse a 7.7: CM-25 (TOW launcher), Obj 122, T-62. 100% can oen it easely, total :3.
Italy: No 6.3 nor 8.7, lol.
France 6.3: all can pen him
France 8.7 that will obliterate Ho-Ri: Sk-105, AMX-30B2 and B2 Brenus (LRF, thermal, APFDS; what more ?), Mephisto (…) and 30DCA will overly destroy it as soon as it is side on.
100% can pen it esily, total : 5.
and so on. Maybe I shouldn’t have counted SPAA.
You can add that 7.3 has the weird reason of being most of the time full downtier, changing well the k/D for a heavy; so bringing it at 7.7 will make it face often 8.7. And as you can see, NOTHING can be done against this BR.
This is one of the rare tank that is extremely vulerable to BR change. Maybe it’s good. It has nothing to do at 7.0. But 7.7 will make it just obsolete. Everything have armor, while you’re stuck with a 10s reload APHE that pen 230mm. You will never kill even a T-54 frontaly with this. And everyone have the same, or better mobility.
You are talking like nothing can pen it, especially in the US. So I counted. I can face 30 tanks between 6.3 and 8.3.
2 tanks cannot pen the turret: T20, M4 76W because they share the same gun. All tank if they have a weak APHE or AP, have access to APCR. Even the T25. Skill issue. And they have a full stabilizer and APHE. So you just have to ait it shot, and in the half second you peek, you can shoot it’s barrel.
EDIT: Just counted Germany: 34 tanks in 6.3-8.3, The 2 jagdpanthers cannot pen, maybe ? add 5 autocanon. (3 SPAA)
Russia: 39 tanks. 3 cannot pen (T-44 barrels), 4 SPAA cannot pen (ZSU-57-2 Can acually pen the gun housing with APHE at <100m.)
“Noooo I have to use the shells that where designed to do this noooooooo…”
Honestly with the stat of 2 tanks on the whole 6.3-8.3 BR bracket (litteraly 93.44% can pen), I don’t think this is a problem. you are more or less trying to create it.
You want a fun news ? No you don’t. Transmission then amo. Boom. That’s 2.
Coclusion: The 7.3 lineup is very well where it is. Ho-Ri isn’t OP as well as Albatros.
Guys, this post is for the Albatros ;-; (just a friendly reminder)
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Its still just is the most piss easy to play 7.3 in the game . It should not face 6.3 tanks . Aswell your gun can kill most tanks around 8.7 and being lol penned o no you cant rush into the enemy team like a brainless ape anymore. Then the ALbatros is just what makes this so much worse
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Calling the Albatros and Hori not op is just so insane . A balistic computer plane that kills anything and a never existing racecar that has the skillfloor and ceiling of a bungalow . Idk not op surely
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It never was at 7.7 sob
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it really cant, the ho-ri already struggles against things like the m60, t-55, against t-62s, chieftains, heck most likely the amx 30 brenus as well, the Ho-ri literally cant do anything unless they get to the side. now the Ho-ri is fast, its not that fast, nor agile enough to flank tanks, because you know, its a very long tank, without a turret. really the only nation who has an 8.7 lineup and the Ho-ri wouldnt struggle against, is germany, which doesnt have an actual lineup but has a technical lineup so its getting thrown in the list.
also your whole argument is dumb, because you know, youre forgetting to flip things around to see that the ho-ri now cant fight in full uptiers. and finally, please keep this to just the l39, after all this whole post is about that vehicle and why the simple fix is weirdly hard for people to grasp.
It has no eninge power and will die to any prop plane of the BR in dogfight (unless you bring one of those fat AD-4 of course.)
And rockets aren’t so precise, so if you want a good shot on a non open top (I hate fighting skinks) you will have to be at less than 2km for a safe shot.
The main problem at this BR is the lack of good SPAA.
I think that the most effective SPAA at 6.7 to around 8.0 (the first radar guided AAA) are artillery.
At the beginning, I saw multiple people spawning by exemple PzH 2000 and I couldn’t do anything because they just obliterate you by your low speed and time to aim.
I don’t think the L-39 is especially good. It is the lack ofcorrect AAA at the BR the issue.
Trust me when someone spawn the 7.3 shilka M2 you will just die.
and most of the time I do kills with it just because no one spawn an AAA.
And as for the people saying that the 23mm gun is OP… You didn’t played it. It is so unreliable for ground kills. But maybe it overkill planes ? every plane of this BR have guns over 20mm, so everyone will just explode at the second a single shell hit them.
Some years ago it was.
Your gun cant even kill 7.7 IS-4 or Maus bro. Let alone T-54 or M60.
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