Kurnass 2000 +1.0 BR change? Why?

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What is the reason for this complete random BR Spike for the Kurnass2000?
Kurnass 2000, a plane without any Radar missiles and IR Missiles without IRCCM is BR 12.3?
Not even the best flight model, not the best IR missiles and no SARH or ARH missiles at all.
But can face ARH missiles in an uptier.
What did I miss? what is the reason behind this strange decision?

For comparison:
Kurnass 2000 BR 12.3 Change +1.0, IR Missiles no IRCCM
Kurnass BR 11.3 Change +0.3, IR Missiles no IRCCM, SARH Missiles
F-4F Eraly BR 10.7 Change +0.3, IR Missiles no IRCCM
F-4F BR 11.0 Change +0.3, IR Missiles no IRCCM
F-4F ICE BR 13.3 Change +0.6, IR Missiles no IRCCM, ARH Missiles
F-4C BR 10.7 Change +0.6, IR Missiles no IRCCM, SARH Missiles
F-4E BR 11.3 Change +0.3, IR Missiles no IRCCM, SARH Missiles
F-4J BR 12.0 Change +0.6, IR Missiles no IRCCM, SARH Missiles
F-4S BR 12.0 Change +0.6, IR Missiles no IRCCM, SARH Missiles
F-4EJ BR 11.3 Change +0.3, IR Missiles no IRCCM, SARH Missiles
F-4EJ Kai BR 12.3 Change +0.6, IR Missiles no IRCCM, SARH Missiles
F-4EJ ADTW BR 11.3 Change +0.3, IR Missiles no IRCCM, SARH Missiles
Phantom FG.Mk1 BR 12.0 Change +0.6, IR Missiles no IRCCM, SARH Missiles
Phantom FGR.2 BR 12.0 Change +0.6, IR Missiles no IRCCM, SARH Missiles
F-4J(UK) BR 12.0 Change +0.6, IR Missiles no IRCCM, SARH Missiles

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Well, the Kurnass is way better than any F4E, thus it has a slighty higher br. It is very well on par with the F4EJ kai which has indeed a SARH missile (not as powerful as it used to be, but still), but has definitely worse flight performances and a worse IR missile. It only seems fair to me that they share the same BR.

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The F-4EJ Kai has PD Radar and Aim-7F.
You call that balanced?

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Best FM and HMD? But BR is too high, agreed.

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It doesnt even have HMD.

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🙁 11.3 then

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290 countermeasures, and 6x Python 3s.

F-4F ICE has IRCCM missiles.
F-4J is inferior to Kurnass 2000.

EJ Kai doesn’t have 290 countermeasures.

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200 are flares only. wont help u when you get tracked by a SAHM or ARM.
You have to get into close combat range to use Pythons and flares.
hard enough when u have no radar missiles by yourselfe

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That’s what the 60 chaff is for, which is more than enough.
Useful ARHs in-range are also only on the Harriers, which are slow.
And SARHs are just simple to defeat.

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I dont know what game you play, but Aim-7F/R-27ER are not easyly defeated.
Not with Multipathing at 60m with giant trees and uneven terrain.

and btw Planes with Fox 3 up to BR 13.3:
Both AV-8B+
both Tomcat
F-4F ICE
Tornado F.3 Late

call me picky, but most of them outperform the K2000 in speed, manuverbility or both.

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F-14s don’t fire AIM-120s. Complaining about F-14 is like complaining about F-4EJ’s radar missiles and F-4C’s radar missiles.

Only the Tornado is slightly faster than Kurnass 2000’s mach 1.15 deck speed.
And for Tornado, that’s the worst maneuvering aircraft of the ones listed.
I myself mentioned AV-8s, which are chronically subsonic.
F-4F ICE is an entire BR higher thus rare.

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You havent got killed by the Aim54 splash damage lately?
They are a viable threat.
AV-8B can outmanuver you and have VTOL to enhance that.
Tomcat outperformes the K2000 by trust and manuverbility.
and ICE is even more manuverable with Aim120.
Up-tier is a nightmare for the K2000 and if the map has no terain you cant get a base and you cant get close enought to fire a missile. youre just a xp pinata

12.3 is too high. 12.0 would be ok.

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The last and only time I ever died to an AIM-54 was when I was flying my Tornado, saw the warning and intentionally kept going straight.
AIM-54s are as easy to defeat as AIM-7Ds.

F-4F and Kurnass 2000 are both F-4E airframes.
F-14 has low-speed acceleration, and that’s it.
AV-8B is still a chronically subsonic aircraft.

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60m multipathing means you die by splash damage.
and if u defeat it by manuvering you are lucky.

the F-4F is the same air frame but its lighter. ther german air force wanted a dog fighter, thats why the initaly didnt get radar missiles, so they removed one of the internal tanks.
so the F-4F is lighter → better power to weight.

The F-14 outturns the K2000 because of that. F-4 bleed more energy in turns ant cant regain energy like the F-14.
AV-8B is subsonic and still has Aim-9M and Aim-120.
While K2000 has Python3 without IRCCM… 1 pop of flare and youre missile goes narnia

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Doesn’t matter cause the AIM-54 can’t maneuver and has a weak internal radar.
Notch and chaff if you don’t feel comfy kinetically defeating it.

War Thunder doesn’t have dogfights.
The meta is BVR and boom & zoom.

One pop of flare when target has afterburner off beyond 1km.*

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BVR and boom and zoom
guess who cant do that… maybe a plane with IR missiles only?

you oviusly dont have much expiriance with Python 3.
when your target is not distracted you have a very hard time getting a missile hit.

you can argue as you like, 12.3 is too much.
all F4 got 0.3/0.6 increase. only K2000 and EJ KAI got a full 1.0 and EJ Kai has at least decent BVR armamant

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Well, one day you might use Python 3s.
I’ve been using them for over half a year personally.
EJ Kai and Kurnass 2000 are effectively identical.
One gets more flares and an all-Python 3 loadout.
One gets radar missiles to compliment IR missiles.

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F4F ICE has the same amount of weight that F4E has.

Only previous F4F models does have lighter airframe due to removed electronics and fuel tanks.

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Again: the Kurnass has more, better IR missiles and better flight performances.
Yes, it’s balanced.

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the ICE also hast one fuel tank less.
ICE was upgraded from the F4F frame that was missing a tank,
you can see it in x-ray view in WT