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I would like to suggest the KD-I Geschützkraftwagen 19 mit 7,5 cm Flak 16 n.A. L/36 pretty mucht the grandfather of the Flakbus.
The history behind it is a long path, starting in WW1 in 1918 going till somewhere befor or even in WW2.
In 1918 on basis of the KD-1 Artilleriezugmaschine (Artillery tractor) (from 1917 to 1918 were 1.159 produced) was the KD-I Geschützkraftwagen 19 build by equipping it with the 7,7 cm Flak L/27 and 7,7 cm Flak L/35 (Used at that time the same ammo as the 7,7 cm FK 96 L/27 with about 465m/s and 545m/s) which was made in the beginning to mobilize the 7,7 cm Flak L/27 for anti aircraft and anti balloon usage, beeing able to escape enemy artillery fire, while also beeing effectively used as an mobile anti tank platform beeing able to quickly react to enemy attacks of Tanks. The Vehicle was regarded highly by the Reichswehr for its high usability as AA and AT vehicle, beeing even kept after the War.
Then in 1930 to 1932 the major switch from 7,7 cm (so enemy captured equipment such as french 75 and russian 76,2 mm guns could and were drilled out to accept german ammo, which even a wide range of different guns were mounted on these vehicles from L/27 to L/35.) to the “new” uniform 75mm guns, as such the whole 7,7 cm Flak L/27 was taken off its Sockellafette and the 7,5 cm FK 16 n.A. L/36 was put in its place, beeing an even more powerfull armarment which was even used till the end of the war (also because of lack of alternatives). Overall 120 7,7 cm guns were accepted to be changed to 7,5 cm guns of which 80 were reserved for the KD-I even tho only 28 were officially allowed for germany.
Overall there were quite a lot of different guns and mountings used on them such as as above mentioned drilled out french and russian guns, but also going further than simple Sockellafetten going as far as mounting shields and even big turret arrays, but none of them where kept, only the by me suggested one with the 7,5 cm Flak 16 n.A. L/36 came to WW2. Further mentioning of them where in D 600 from 09.11.1935 and H.V.Bl. 1931 Nr 27 from 14.09.1931 where it was written that after using up all wheeles (still wooden wheels) new steel full rubber wheels are to be used.
Why i would like to see this vehicle? Old stuff can take a grip in game, but is still underrepresented and this is one of the vehicles which are actually quite good and will be quite usable (notice characteristics of the truck and gun below) Bringing an quite good Gun on a mobile chassis with similar playstyle ot the italian 100mm gun, but with greater effeciveness, otherwise the gun (essencially a 7,5 cm FK 16 n.A. L/36) would also have no place in game as it was not mounted on other vehicles to my knowlege (except in modified form on a DB Großtraktor) while it is also historically relevant in beeing the starting point of the stronger AT weapons for the german army, beeing set the golden standart in AT armarment, beeing the Basis for the 7,5 cm K. L/41 for the Pz.Sfl. II which later further develops into the KwK 40 and beeing one of the stronger AT guns used in the french attack.
The Gun: 7,5 cm Flak 16 n.A. L/36 (a 7,5 cm FK n.A. L/36 in a Flak Sockellafette)
7,5 cm about 12-15 rpm -5 ° to +75° and 360° traverse at 25°/sec.
60 rounds of ammo across different containers around the flatbed and in the vehicle sides.
Ammo:(Click to show)
Ap:
K.Gr. Rot Pz (Apcbc) 6,8 kg 80 g Fp.02 und Np.10 (102,4 g TnTa) 650 m/s 110mm/10m
Gr.38 Hl (Heat (No Tracer)) 4,4 kg 570,2g H.5+Fp.02 (969,34g TnTa) 450 m/s 52-55mm/10m
Gr.38 Hl/A (Heat (No Tracer)) 4,5 kg 399g H.5+Fp.02 (678,3g TnTa) 450 m/s 81mm/10m
Gr.38 Hl/B (Heat (No Tracer)) 4,57 kg 513g H.5 (872,1g TnTa) 450 m/s 87mm/10m
Gr.38 Hl/C (Heat) 4,8 kg 515 g H.10 (875,5g TnTa) 450 m/s 115mm/10m
(Early no Tracer, implemented during production.)
K.Gr. Rot. (SapHef (No Tracer)) 6,62 kg 655m/s 520g Amatol (520g aquivalent)(Some penetration (Historical 20mm/30°/600m)
(with A.Z.23 (0,15)(Ms.)
He:
Sprgr.34 (He (No Tracer)) 5,74 kg 725g Fp.02 und Np.10 (928g TnTa) 665 m/s
K.Gr. Rot. (Hef-TF (No Tracer)) 5,83 kg 662 m/s 520g Amatol (655,2g aquivalent)
(With Dopp.Z./60s Time Fuze)
Utility:
K.Gr. Rot Nb (Smoke (No Tracer)) 6,2 kg 95g Pent 660m/s
Schr. L/3,2 (Shrapnell-TF (No Tracer)) 6,08 kg 0,08 kg Blackpowder 661 m/s 46mm/10m
Some Incendary effect by the Pitch inbetween the balls.
By “German Explosive ordanace -Projectiles and Projectile Fuzes chapter 5” it could also fire the Gr. 38 HL series, so the /B and /C as allready found in game with 87 and 115mm penetration respectivly.
Vehicle: Artillerie-Kraftzugmaschine Krupp-Daimler 100 PS
Weight: 8000 kg
Length: 6265 mm
Width: 2170 mm
Height: 2860 mm
Axle articulation: 30°
Engine: 4 or 6 cylinder 100 HP/74kw engine
Speed: 8 gears forward with 65 kmph (conflicting sources, going from 36 kmph with 10t attached load to 65 kmph)
3 reverse gears to 8,5 kmph
Wheelbase: 3750mm
Ground clearance: 400mm
Turning radius: 6,5m
Crew: for this vehicle in game somewhere between 6-10
Armor: around the Hull 3-4mm (wow so thick, will deflect some small he rounds and rifle bullets from afar, nothing more) No gun shield.
I am sorry for errors and slight missalingements, its just so old.
Source: DMG stellt erste Exemplare der Artillerie-Kraftzugmaschine K.D.I. fertig
Geschoßringbuch Band I
D. 435 Anlage 7 Munition der FK 16 n.A.
Das Gerät der Artillerie vor, in und nach dem Weltkrieg
Encyclopaedia of the German Army in the 20th Century
Vom Einzelschuss zur Feuerwalze: der Wettlauf zwuschen Technik und Taktik im Ersten Weltkrieg
Deutsche Artillerie 1934-1945
Weapons of the Third Reich An Encyclopedic Survey of All Small arms, Artillery and Special Weapons of the German Land Forces 1939-1945
German Explosive Ordanance Projectiles and Projectile Fuzes Chapter 5
