Not a single person has asked for a full Typhoon. They expectation would always be prototype + handicaps. Like Aim-9Ls over Aim-9Ms.Aim-120Bs over Aim-120Cs, for example. Maybe even cap hard points (12 could be fitted with AAMs, but limited 2 for fuel tanks only)
SAAF Gripens are a messy add. As SAAF only ever bought IRIS-T for them initially and then equipped them with A-Darter. Could be given ahistorical weapons, but… eh…
Britain is more likely to get Sea Harrier FA2 this coming update. But the question is how long before its outclassed?
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How long till F-15 equivalents come?
In my opinion, Typhoon is a counterpart to the mid life F-15, Gripen E, Rafale, Su-30. All aircraft probably coming next year. and probably not that late next year either
Don’t those engines still provide the pre-production Eurofighter with a thrust-to-weight ratio higher than F-15C and F/A-18C?
So you still got a super-maneuverable plane that wasn’t fitted with thrust-vectoring because it was deemed unnecessary, except with a little less acceleration than the production plane that beats F-22s in exercises… am I mistaken?
Unfortunately yes, at least 8 missiles total depending on the loadout, the best pulse doppler radar ever fitted to a fighter aircraft, plus the MAWS system which would mean any IRST but the later developed PIRATE would set off its MAWS system, UV missile alert like helicopters.
Just think of any say 4 aircraft at top tier, i guarantee you the Typhoon does better. rate fighting, 1-circle, top speed. Probably even ground pounding which is a notable weakness of the Typhoon.
I don’t know, but seen comparisons that put it on par TWR to the Gripen C and F-15C. So… maybe? Its really hard to compare these aircraft and find accurate data for the Typhoon DA2. It would still likely be top dog, but considering Tornado F3 vs F-16C was considered acceptable. Then F-15C vs Typhoon DA2 I dont think is a problem
Wouldn’t doubt it at this point, the F-14 was stated to be in the works some eight months before it came and was probably being developed even before then. This other line in the devblog might be worth taking note of too:
Indeed, the F-2, which is a 4++ generation aircraft, will appear in the game along with comparable aircraft from other nations. However, at the moment, adding the F-2 to the game is not possible due to its significant superiority in the quality of radar equipment and far more advanced air-to-air missiles.
W/ MR-ARH known to be coming now( edit: we didn’t know it was coming then ), Python 4 in the files and MICA IR leaked, what we’re really waiting for is the next jump in radar 's and the " comparable aircraft " we know are coming anyway.
Isn’t there a very modern Israeli F-16 's radar in the files now ? V(9) I think it was.
That would be my guess too. Its Britain, must have Britain tax somewhere. Less fuel and no cannon is far more likely Especially as they could be restrictive with A2G weapons as well.
But would still be March at the earliest, 1 update after Sweden, same way Germany was with Mig-29
That’s my point- shifting unbalance from one place to another solves nothing. We must seek and strive for actual balance, not “he was OP so now I want to be the OP one”, in my opinion.
From what I can see, pre-production Eurofighter has a 0.80 thrust-to-weight ratio, compared to F-15C’s (if I recall correctly) 0.75 (both without afterburners).
So… pre-production Eurofighter still has better engine performance than a plane that is yet not ingame because it would be too good, while also having better agility and maneuverability than any other plane that will ever be ingame until we begin getting 4.5-5 gen aircraft and would also possess the best radar in the game as well.
I don’t want to come off as a party pooper, but the thought of a 13.0-13.3 material plane coming to the game at a point where we just reached 12.3 (soon to be 12.7) gives me chills.
The biggest issue with the F-2 is AESA which is just different altogether than what we have. Everything else would fit War Thunder just fine, but we don’t know what Gaijin plans to do with AESA.
I think with 9Ls only, could ocme as early as Dec. but never expected it would. There was the hammer blow from smin which could be interpreted as, not anytime soon. Maybe not even in 2024. Which then leaves Germany and Britain really really screwed.
F4F Ice for Germany and Sea Harrier FA2 for Britain has always been my assumption for this year. Because, Gen 3 with AMRAAM just makes sense. But after that?
Well, Britain you can slap Commonwealth jets or niche trainers like the Gripen, but I feel is just messy. More Ground attackers? Maybe but would need Brimstone to be worth while additions. And thats potentially problmatic. After that, only really Typhoon.
Germany though? Nothing, to be honest. Except IRIS-T armed Tornado IDS.
So Very very early Typhoon, Q2-3 next year was my guess and my hope and that is pushing it in terms of maintaining top tier viability for Britian and Germany and Italy. Bare in mind, if this year is any indicator. We;ll be on late F-15s and Su-30s. I.e Full Typhoon rivals by that point.
Morvan, the UK copium is ridiculous, the Tornado would have been worse then than it is now.
Having 9Ls and STs is what allows it to do so well at its current BR, the Tornado FM was shit irl and is just as bad in game. Its a flying brick with swing wings and none of the F-14s fuselage lift.
A later Tornado with AMRAAM and AIM-9M is inevitable, and the EFT will come eventually, but as I have said before the UK is not just a minor nation in the later 20th century they are also well behind their competitors. EFT will be ok, but you should be careful to hype yourself up too much.
I think pre-production Typhoon (and without nerfed loadouts) will fit nicely once early SU-27 and F-15 arrive, with production variants arriving along with later SU-27s, F-15/18s and Rafales, and the latest variants arriving along with F-22s and SU-57s.
IT would still have been better than the FGR2 with a far better radar.
Also. I love the idea that Britain “sucks” and therefore should suffer in game but Typhoon and ASRAAM being denied because they are too OP and no other nation can match their performance.
Also gotta love how we are “minor nation” despite the fact that most american tech is based upon British research and the entire US mitliary industry is propped up by BAE systems at this point. But each to their own. Either way. No reason to smash minor nations into the ground because “MERICA”
And I think Su-27 and F-15s along with Gripen will be the Decemeber update. That is where the confusion from Smins statement has come from (and thus this debate) because with those in place. Is the typhoon really that extreme of an addition?