The only reason I can think of that Gripen is fine but Typhoon is not is hard points. The only area in which Typhoon is really really that far ahead.
It depends on the test. For pure air to air Eurofighter is likely superior. But that is not how these aircraft are being tested or selected.
Ergonomics, versatility, price, industrial as well as political aspects and even bribes play a role.
I think Switzerland was looking for a aircraft that was somewhat affordable while doing decent to great in the air to ground department.
If I’m not mistaken Eurofighter only had rather rudimentary air to ground capabilities back then.
A huge issue for Saab is that the government does not really do anything for the defence industry regarding sales while in France the government takes a rather active role in marketing.
Procurement is rather complex.
Rafale fanatics keep repeating that it did beat F-22 in some exercise while Eurofighter fanatics keep repeating Eurofighter did beat F-22 quite handily in presumed WvR just like Rafale apparently did.
Just because a F-15 I think it was had to use AMRAAM short range on a SU-22 because the AIM-9X went for the flares does not mean AIM-9X sucks.
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For the radar i don’t know, early rafales have PESA, but laters switch to AESA, would say they are the same.
For IRST, Afaik, only first variants (LF.1 and some early F.3s) of the rafale don’t have IRST, but others have, here in front of the cockpit.
Seriously where are all the mods in this thread.
Really not worth checking up on this thread anymore. Too much petty back and forths between people. All sides to blame.
If someone says something stupid just ignore. Let it fall on deaf ears. Don’t engage.
Not quite, this one 's from Modern Warships ( Update 0.72 rogue shades - Modern Warships: Naval Battles – a free military action game for PC and mobile )
As we recall, Artstorm and Gaijin partnered to develop the PC port of this game, and there 's obvious influences of it on WT Mobile itself.
I suspect that many of the mechanics tested and displayed in MW will bleed through into WTM as that game moves into " modern warships " itself, though w/ more of an approach towards realism ( of launch platform, if nothing else ).
And since WTM has, in the past, provided insight into future developments seen in Naval here in WT, their developments derived from Artstorm 's game may then make their way here. ( naval 9M330 in the CDK now, remember ?)
Also, I’m 90% sure that 's our USS Forrestal here, but w/ the Sea Sparrow launchers that were removed from it on the New Power devserver:
That ship gets around, doesn’t it ? It 's here in WT, it 's been in the files to WT:E - I wouldn’t be surprised if it makes it to Enlisted once they reach the Vietnam era !
See, I’ve found contradicting accounts. A TWR as low at 1.16 with the same source stating Typhoon at 1.25 and another source that states that whilst it has a higher instant turn, nearly the identical sustained. so its hard to compare without equal data set sources (i.e same wieght, speed, alt, etc)
From what I could find, it was something like
Rafale has something akin to early AESA, Typhoon still has mechanical radar but about equal in performance. In BVR, other factors to consider other than raw radar power I reckon. But good to know about IRST. So maybe first Rafale wouldnt then, but later ones would. But would be almsot the same for Typhoon as well
Nice catches! Naval aircraft are my whole heart. Hopefully we see Carriers being added into air matches again because catching and catapult launches are severely missed.
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Here is a condensed summary of the tests carried out by Swiss pilots who compared EF/Rafale and Gripen with an F/A-18C/D.
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Which Gripen are we looking at here?
MS21 (iirc, they had the Gripen E in mind, but tested Gripen C Batch 3 just like India)
I’m 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999%
sure that you are looking at some faked chart there.
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I’m really hoping China gets something new for air next update that helps bring up their air too air and CAS capabilities. Currently there falling behind when compaired too the major nations, and I’m surprised they weren’t given an upgraded Taiwanese F-16 to keep up
With PL-12 confirmed for J-8F. I think some form of Ground attacker maybe a J-10 outfitted more for CAS?
From what I’ve seen from Swiss procurement in 2014 Gripen was chosen then the Swiss people trolled it’s air force and F-35 which Switzerland does not need was selected for a supposedly fixed price which was supposedly guaranteed by US government which it wasnt which was then growing while not taking into account maintenance.
Just look at F-104 procurement.
Well the PDF you sent does proof my point. Switzerland wanted a strike jet which Eurofighter and Gripen were not designed to be and were not yet modified to be at this point in time.
Regarding air to air Eurofighter likely is superior.
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For my part, I’ve always read that they were leaning towards the Rafale, but that after a visit from the US President, all of a sudden they went for the F-35. I always thought it was stupid to choose a stealth strike for air policing, but hey, politics…
But anyway for me EF and Rafale are really perfectly similar, perfect for a way later update ( “The Europeans Canards!” )with both of them (depend of wich variants now)
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Gripen was chosen in 2014 if I remember correctly then the Swiss people voted no to spending money for fighter jets it’s air force needed.
For the procurement from 2018 i think it was Gripen was not allowed entry because Gripen E was not quite ready yet for series production.
The variants for Eurofighter and Rafale will really be the crux of the matter just as they are in the endless Spitfire vs 109 discussion.
That or the JH-7 since the last time china got something for the strike fighter line it was the wonderful and Amazing Q-5L which totally isn’t outdated at top tier.
There always remains the option for an upgraded Taiwanese F-16, which would more or less be the same as the F-16C, but something like the JH-7 and J-10 would be really cool too see.
Hell I would be happy if we got the JF-17 as that is a great multi role fighter, but it’s Pakistani so we’ll have to see if Gajjin will add it before they consider making a Pakistani Sub tree for China
“The variants for Eurofighter and Rafale will really be the crux of the matter just as they are in the endless Spitfire vs 109 discussion.”
Well i’m happy with that, French futur air TT is futureproof, with 3 big Rafales family (C(“basic”), B (2seats) and M (navy) and all the subvariants with more and more tech each times.
Add Belgium and Swiss subTT and you can join to the Rafales some F-16/F18 and others… Would be insane, but i stop here before going crazy :p
Personally. If a nation can get a unique addition. I think it should. F-16 on China was a messy and totally unncessary decision. Should be avoiding whereever possible in the future adding Taiwanese jets.
I dont know all that much about Chinese aviation. But From what little I read. J-10 is based upon an aircraft Israel was making to be comparison to F-16 but then they were forced into F-16 and so sold the plans to China or something. So based upon that. J-10 probably would be the logical next step