TWR always depends on fuel load pylons etc. and to often wrong formulae are being used or different fuel loads or same fuel loads while with the same amount of fuel one aircraft or the other can still have a gerater reach than the other because of more sufficient engines and or less weight. etc.
Which turn time initial or sustained at which speed at which altitude?
Will their flight models be authentic or dare I say somewhat realistic or will one of them get ruined by instructor or any other feature of the game?
Where do you get the 3087 kph for the F-15 from?
yeah it would, but HMD and a slightly better engine I dont think would be enough to justify any higher BR than the Gr7. Therefore why add it? I could see Gr9 added as Premium and then Gr9A to TT once Brimstones could be added though, that would make sense.
F-15C MSIP II+ [AN/APG-63(V)1 instead of APG-70] with AIM-120C-3+ = Typhoon.
However, we’re not getting C-5s for a hot minute.
Morvran, I haven’t looked up the radar of Typhoon yet, and radar set can dictate BRs, after-all F-14A is 11.7 instead of 12.0 partially due to its radar set.
If Typhoon’s radar is as good or better than APG-63V1 then… it’s gonna be better than F-15Cs utilizing APG-70. Typhoon also comes with HMD from the start, whereas F-15s don’t get them until around the same time as Typhoon introduction, with American ones being the last ones to the party.
If Radar is that big of a deal. then Sea Harrier FA2 is BR13 too. Its Blue Vixen is equal too if not maybe better than APG-73. Typhoon’s radar is based on the Blue Vixen I believe.
Even at hte moment, Foxhunter Stage 2G is probably better than the F-16C or Mig-29SMT. But again, its not 12.3+
Radar doesnt have THAT big of an impact. Its weapons and flight performance that matter most. Weapons would be equal if not inferior (deliberately) and flight performance on par or really really not that far off F-15 or Gripen.
HMD doesnt mean much. Already found on most top tier jets in game.
But again. Do you really expect Japan to get AMRAAM on their F-15 and US to be fine with only Aim-7?
So if Typhoon is end of 2024. F-15 and Gripen are mid 2024 at the earliest. Neither will be this year
Apparently comparable Su-27s radar but I cant find much
Rafale of course would be also part of the equation. Typhoon = Rafale. They are close enough, with Typhoon still being the slightly better of the 2.
So if Typhoon can come, Rafale can come. If Typhoon can’t come, Rafale can’t come. Adding another jet to the equation is just unncessarily messy in this conversation about when it could come and what else can still come based upon the fact Typhoon is “too OP”
But Rafale would only come to France and France has a few more decent options going forward that could be added. Germany and Britain really don’t and Typhoon would come to 3 nations in total. So again, greater value to discuss Typhoon. (also Im british, so… Naturally I’d want the Typhoon)
“Typhoon still being the slightly better of the 2.” Didn’t wanted to ented this war but typical English answer i guess.
Swiss (or Sweden, always mixup) pilot test from 2008 classed Rafale > EF > Gripen. Now sure all are more advanced than in 2008, but don’t go easy on EF automatically better.
I dream of the Rafale, sure the game is not ready but can’t wait for this beautiful beast.
Look this massive loadout ! (2x Mica IR / 2x Mica EM / 2x Meteor / 6x Hammer / 3 fuel pod)
Not sure about the speed but it’s top speed anyway.
Typhoon would possibly be superior to F-15 variants from it’s time as far as I can tell.
Gripen is no joke either. Sheer engine power and related stats might be inferior but that is not saying much. It’s avionics should not be lacking either.
Maybe hardpoints will be the deceicive aspect but who knows.
Based upon what I can find, the Rafales main area of advantage is slightly better turn performance and larger take-off wieght, but Typhoon has the higher top speed, climb rate and (maybe) better Radar (at worse they are essentially equal)
In a dogfight, pilot skill probably decides the outcome 9/10 times.
Typhoon is probably the better air superiority/QRA jet. Rafale is probably the better “multi-role”
In the end, it depends on context which is better. Within the context we usually see in WT. I’d say Typhoon due to the better climb rate, Acceleration and top speed.
(its also worth remembering that at least when comparing with RAF Typhoons, that the Typhoon has IRST, Rafale I dont believe does)
It depends on the test. For pure air to air Eurofighter is likely superior. But that is not how these aircraft are being tested or selected.
Ergonomics, versatility, price, industrial as well as political aspects and even bribes play a role.
I think Switzerland was looking for a aircraft that was somewhat affordable while doing decent to great in the air to ground department.
If I’m not mistaken Eurofighter only had rather rudimentary air to ground capabilities back then.
A huge issue for Saab is that the government does not really do anything for the defence industry regarding sales while in France the government takes a rather active role in marketing.
Procurement is rather complex.
Rafale fanatics keep repeating that it did beat F-22 in some exercise while Eurofighter fanatics keep repeating Eurofighter did beat F-22 quite handily in presumed WvR just like Rafale apparently did.
Just because a F-15 I think it was had to use AMRAAM short range on a SU-22 because the AIM-9X went for the flares does not mean AIM-9X sucks.
Seriously where are all the mods in this thread.
Really not worth checking up on this thread anymore. Too much petty back and forths between people. All sides to blame.
If someone says something stupid just ignore. Let it fall on deaf ears. Don’t engage.
As we recall, Artstorm and Gaijin partnered to develop the PC port of this game, and there 's obvious influences of it on WT Mobile itself.
I suspect that many of the mechanics tested and displayed in MW will bleed through into WTM as that game moves into " modern warships " itself, though w/ more of an approach towards realism ( of launch platform, if nothing else ).
And since WTM has, in the past, provided insight into future developments seen in Naval here in WT, their developments derived from Artstorm 's game may then make their way here. ( naval 9M330 in the CDK now, remember ?)
Also, I’m 90% sure that 's our USS Forrestal here, but w/ the Sea Sparrow launchers that were removed from it on the New Power devserver:
That ship gets around, doesn’t it ? It 's here in WT, it 's been in the files to WT:E - I wouldn’t be surprised if it makes it to Enlisted once they reach the Vietnam era !
See, I’ve found contradicting accounts. A TWR as low at 1.16 with the same source stating Typhoon at 1.25 and another source that states that whilst it has a higher instant turn, nearly the identical sustained. so its hard to compare without equal data set sources (i.e same wieght, speed, alt, etc)
Rafale has something akin to early AESA, Typhoon still has mechanical radar but about equal in performance. In BVR, other factors to consider other than raw radar power I reckon. But good to know about IRST. So maybe first Rafale wouldnt then, but later ones would. But would be almsot the same for Typhoon as well
