Kh38. hammer - brimstone

Hammer is an AGM which is 2nd best in the game.
Just goes to prove western stuff can also receive treatment like that.

Sorry to burst your bubble but GSB is much different than GRB, and is frankly a mode barely anyone cares about.

52% is overperforming and being OP ?
In February they had just below 50% WRs, with now that number being closer to 40-45%.

SLM alone reduced the effectiveness of KH-38 spammers by a lot.
Many other western nations are getting better AAs so the impact of KH-38s is only going to drop.

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Defunct company wouldn’t be able to sell you anything anymore for obvious reasons.
Buying information about defunct prototypes from an existing manufacturer doesn’t sound problematic.

By the way, 38MT surfaced years ago so figuring out when exactly did someone bought information is impossible.

Ok, good luck figuring out who even has the rights, let alone if they even still have any useful documentation.

US is going to get Jack, since the Sgt. Stout (M-SHORAD) or similar isn’t an option for whatever reason. And would have been a better option than the CLAWS, solely for the access to 30mm proxy ( near certain ordnance interception capability), let alone the hemispheric radar.

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It is a GLIDE BOMB… limited to one “minor” nation.
Meanwhile wide spread weapon systems like Hellfire or Mavericks remains gutted.

Does not change a thing about that it represents nations combat capabilities better then RB. If RB had nation based MM the results would be simmilar.

Its far from suffering… yet again long term 57% …

Yes after year of safely fireing Kh-38 outside of any blueforce maximum range SLM counter apper…
To just one update later to give Russia SAM system with twice the performance of the SLM. Probably to counter dreadful French glide bombs.

Contacting someone involved might easily get you the name of the entity that holds the rights.

CLAWS was a massive improvement and definitely can put the pressure on those aircraft. Now Italy, France and UK are all getting significant upgrades as well.

It’s a missile as it has it’s own motor.

But it doesn’t so it isn’t representative.
GSB is still a vastly different mode to GRB so drawing conclusions is impossible.

All time stats shows RU and Germany have very similar WRs.
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Doesn’t change the fact SLM reduced it’s effectiveness and that more AAs coming in this update are going to reduce it even more.

Hammer is still the second best AGM in the game that has vastly overperforming seeker.
The fact you’re trying to handwave this just proves you’re extremely biased.

At least try to get some real arguments in your next reply.

how would you solve the possible teamkilling issue? these things lock whatever they can find

dont

the community cried enough for those to get added

…and gaijin has no idea how to actually change gamemodes and gameplay in general

No Brimstone missile was SAL only, Brimstone 1’s as they are being referred too were designed as Fire and Forget missiles, using mmW (millimetre wave) seekers, SAL was added due to operations in Afghanistan requiring a “man in the loop” so Brimstones were converted to Dual Mode with the SAL added in with the original mmW seeker. SAL Brimstones were never a thing they have always been FnF capable. This Information is freely available, not classified and still not used by Gaijin

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Actually implement, various filters (Range, angle, Predicted point of Intercept weighting, etc.) and Target sorting functions properly. So its not just lock on to the first return they find.

Only because Gaijin went inexplicably to F&F AGMs before Anti-Radiation Missiles Simply Because Eastern Designs are straight up Trash, and lack an equivalent at the tactical level to the Shrike, prior to the Kh-58 and even then only have access to them on select specialist airframes so “aren’t an option”.

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it is a literally the Mk82 bomb with guidance section and REK. Which is long burning sustainer with less total impulse then AGM-65, and moving way more mass.
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It does not make it a missile. Like rocket boosted Hercules is not spaceship:
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Maybe because they are teamed up a lot in RB ?

It is still most effective AGM by far, and if new SAM will reduce AGM effectiveness other will be similarly affected therefore Russia CAS still will be a top dog.

There is a huge leap between KH-38 and Hammers. And hammers are not so game breaking like the KH-38. So excuse me if I’m willing to overlook that the seeker is tracking bit faster then it suppose to do (which is not so useful without 3d person view).
I would be more concerned what are the parameters of the real IR seeker of KH38, since it is most likely sucked out of thumb.

KH-38 Brochure
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it doesnt specify which sub versions so by their standards is useless

Su-30mk is a specific air craft. It usually used as a testbed for various munitions and tech
For example it tested irbis radar of su35

as I said it doesnt specify if its MK1 or MK2, also neither in game or in significant use by VKS so means nothing

not my fault that gaijin has BS standards for things

It’s talking about su-30mk itself. That is a standard
Su-30mk is not equal to mk1 or mk2 it’s just mk.
Imo it means su30sm shouldn’t get it, su-30sm != su30mk

it is not, as you said it was a test bed for things so its configuration and capabilities changed a lot over time, as such this shouldnt be mean anything for the game based on the same reasoning here

and yeah for sure shouldnt be on sm

Well I was just talking about that specific mk, 502 which was likely used for testing of said weapon. There is production mk in Russian Air Force

yeah and we dont know if it has the same capabilities as the version mentioned as being capable of kh38 because it had so many different configurations (they have denied weapons for even more insane reasoning)

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A missile that uses a bomb as a payload for convenience.

Evidence ?

It being a top dog regarding AGMs doesn’t automatically mean it’ll have much, or any impact on the game as a whole. Therefore KH-38s impacting WRs is highly unlikely.

You struggle to understand the simplest of things.

Doesn’t change the fact Hammer is highly overperforming when it comes to it’s seeker and is a NATO weapon.

You’re willing to overlook the fact missile that should be getting track lock only at 3-4km away from the target is still getting it at ~12-13km. That’s a huge boost to it’s performance, not just a bit.

Any excuse to that doesn’t sound right.

You are just being rude, but it won’t hide you incompetence to argument.

Gaijin does not call it a missile, manufacturer does not call it a missile, but you … Doesn’t matter how is it called, it is a weapon with long time to target with all the negatives it brings.

Ability to blast 3-4 targets in single sortie from a relative safety does impact a lot. Not just that you can clear enemy air defenses and open window for rotary platforms which would devastate armored force with ease.
Secondly early missile strikes forces blue side take defensive positions and prevents advancing to objectives. Meanwhile RED force can advance relatively unopposed, capture objectives and then defend them. BLUE force weaken by initial missile strikes then must try to capture defended capture points, which is always more difficult then defense.

It is very similar to Vikher spam a few years back. It had similar impact when skilled Ka-52 pilots were able to kill 6-7 targets in single sortie and even win firefight between them and SAM.

Do you have any source for that 4km lock or any of your “Hammer over performing” ? Because if they have 4km range it means that Hammer is denied LOAL capability, otherwise it does not make much sense to mount such seeker on a 70km range weapon does it ?
Anyhow why I you steering discussion towards Hammers which are clearly inferior weapon to KH-38 an therefore have fraction of their impact ?

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