Kfir Canard is the only plane I can constantly flare and still die.
Every other plane I can flare without any problems. In fact, I rarely die to Aim-9Ls in other planes.
Here is a example of it.
There is a video that I uploaded to Youtube, because the file size is too big to upload here.
Excuse me if no sound though; I haven’t gotten the right settings yet.
Ps: Some people talked about flare pattern, but I have been killed by 9L shot with some moving + flaring + turn off AB, on the back.
That does look oddly strange, was fully expecting a complaining post about someone shoving a really good IR missile up your exhaust and you complaining about that (the Kfir is quite hot in rear aspect), but this is quite different.
One thing jumps to mind, the flares only dispense to one side of the aircraft, and in that scenario it happens to be the worst side for that front aspect shot. The 9L should still be able to see them, but it’s slightly obstructed by the aircraft for a bit, if anything making them more potent for rise time if I had to guess.
I urge you to get a clip of this in sensor view (it’s just a button in replay mode) and watch what the missiles seeker sees.
I’ll post a clip on tomorrow. Can you focus the camera on the missile? I’m not experienced with sensor view.
I don’t believe so, but you can slow down the speed of the replay and freecam to watch it, or from the enemy that launched the missile.
Turn off your afterburner
And if it did go for flares, you were between the missile and flare. So a jink to the right would have helped too
Edit:
Re watching it a few times. The flare launched to the right and the AAM went for the flare, but prox fused on you as it passed you. That is my best guess
Can you link the actual replay? can be used to confirm that theory
Nah, the problem is that KFIR fires flares sideways, so if a missile is coming from the back or other side, the flares can’t block the engines heat
ive always had issues with the Kfir not being able to flare, especially 9L’s rear aspect. even cutting full burner, jinking and flaring, im 90% sure it has to do with it getting shot out to the side
This ^ exactly. One time i had an r60m shot rear aspect from 2kms, cut afterburner and trying to position flares in seeker of missle while diving to keep speed and nothing. I wish i saved the replay way back then as this really made me question the effectiveness of the flares. Aim9Ls are incredibly difficult to flare in the Kfir even from long range.
I wanted to do some testing with it since it really stood out that it was the hardest aircraft i have flown to flare missles off, but never had the chance and have stopped using it. Since alot of other aircraft can one pop all these missles but Kfirs seem to do nothing.
If anyone is on later id be down to test it. Im really curious if you need to be very precise with flaring,
you were still on afterburner and did not do any evasive movement. this is on you fully
true i shoot them down all the time with 9L even if they flares like crazy
Yeah I’m dumping the plane after grinding the F-4E which I plan to tailsman (just as I have done with US tree).
Never had an issue with any other planes.
Never had an issue with other planes. I flare IRCCMs all the times as long they are not rear aspect. This is unique to Kfir flares being too weak to even 9L.
still isnt wise practice to keep full afterburn and fly in a straight line even when we remove WT jank from the question
I recommend trying out harriers as they run hotter than pretty much all other aircraft in game as if it had 4 afterburners but tend to be able to deal with IR missiles still. Will be a good learning curve
You’re flying on afterburner and flying too fast. Both work in favour of IR missiles. drop down the after burner, make slight adjustments on your flight path while flaring, watch them bite your flares.
a missile as that angle we see in the clip physically wont be able to see the flares to begin with
AB is mostly relevant to rear aspect
sure
https://warthunder.com/en/tournament/replay/332161839981015556?public_key=UOWlwLc8M1wOUKRPSEy9
would be nice if you can send screenshots here, as I wont be on PC for a fairly long time
No.
Sure thing, but it may not be the only factor. I’m pointing out things he should not be doing in the first place.
Its not overly clear in the sensor view what the 9L was tracking, but I think it did swap to the flare each and everytime, and then when you dropped a new flare, the 9L re-targetted the latest flare. In the end, you and the flare just ended up being in the same place. So you potentially killed yourself by dropping too many flares.
Flare 1: Seems to go for the flare
Flare 2: retargets the flare
Flare 3: retargets the latest flare
Flare 4: still seemds to be targeting the flare, you can see how inline you are with it
So… Some recomendations
When flaring anything, drop out of reheat, better safe the sorry and if it was a rear-aspect shot, you’d have definetly been at fault
pay attention to where/how the flares deploy. Some aircraft have excellent flare release patterns, others suck. Kfir seems to be one that sucks. In this you are defending from a threat to the front left and the flares drop rear right. Perfectly diagonol to you, so each and everytime you flare, you were always between the seeker and the flare. So if you are in that situation again, turn 15-20° to the right, drop 2-4 flares rapidly and dont flare anymore unless you think the missile is still tracking you
dont charge down the middle of the map like a mad man.
