Kfir C.10 (B60) - The final upgrade

But it doesn’t act any different ingame as a PESA. The only noticeable thing is that the tracking radar band can only be detected by the most modern heli RWRs, and no plane ingame can detect a lock from it, given just how modern that radar band is.

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If memory serves me right, it has rather PESA/AESAish scanning pattern in TacView, blinking beams in different directions instead usual constant radar beam scanning left to right, K band is just another feature of it. And Su-25SM3 got some time ago RWR upgrade to cover K band when snail achieves perfekt balans and it becomes russia vs russia gaming.

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Well. No Kfir

Dev stream =/= full major update.

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As mentioned in the comment above, just because it’s not on the dev server now doesn’t mean it won’t be coming to the game this update. Plenty of vehicles that are still in development don’t appear on the dev server, and sometimes pop up outta nowhere on the live server. Development takes time, sometimes that time extends past the dev server.

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pretty sure gaijin will never add two top tier plane one after the other in the same update (exepted when adding new nation to a tt)

Gajin not ready Kfir Block 60 in 2 years because advanced radar and domestic israel 5th gen IR AAM

I might hope Kfir C.10 this year

F16C and D are also supposed to have python 4 and 5

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Brother, china literally just got the Jeff and J-10 in the same update, both top tier aircraft my guy… so no that’s not how this works.

British got the Sea Harrier FA.2 and Tornado F.3 Late last update, ant the USA got the AV-8B+ and F-15C MSIP II last update, and all of those could be considered top tier aircraft if you ask me.

There isn’t really a limit to what gaijin is willing to add to a single nation per update, never has been.

i mean next to each other, the Kfir C10 would be after the netz so before the F16C. all exemple are top tier but from different line

Kfir C10 isn’t a top plane.

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that’s why I say after the netz, netz is 13.0, Kfir c10 has derby so it will be at minimum 13.3

C10 with Derby? You mean an airframe worse than J-8F and with 2 less missiles…
IDK, if ANY supersonic airframe was going to be similar to the AV-8B it’d be the Kfir series of aircraft.

C10 is a modernise C7 so it has access to derby, python and guided bomb so no it won’t be at the same br as a subsonic flying brick

Oh… you under estimate the AV-8B. It is no where close to a brick as it out-sustains F-14As, and F-14As out-sustains Kfirs.
Along with both out-pulling Kfirs due to the fact Kfir’s baseload airframe is a Mirage 5 and is thus stuck with the hard airframe G limit of ~9Gs on full fuel which isn’t a lot for the General Electric engine.
The C10 is also heavier than the C7 which means it won’t maneuver as well as the C7.

So yeah… the Kfir line of aircraft are an upgraded Mirage 5 derivative that shows its age.

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J8F is 13.0, when you compare it to the AV8B+ it has worst missile, quite bad dogfighting capibilty plus it doesn’t have guided bomb so yeah, the AV8B is at this br bcs it is subsonic, if it was super sonic it would at least be 13.3 so yeah no. The J8 is based on a enlarge Mig21 so quite comparable to the mirage 5, and still, the J8F as one of the worst fox 3 so yeah no way the kfir would be at a lower br than the J8F

J-8F and AV-8B+ are better at dogfighting, have equivalent missiles to Derby, and if C10 is “stuck” with Python 3s [I hope it is due to only having up to 72 countermeasures], that makes the Kfir C10 on-par.
The only thing Kfir C10 has over AV-8B is speed, and it has nothing over J-8F outside the ability to carry 4 total radar missiles instead of 2.

Cause I really want the C10, and if its armament surpasses its countermeasures, then it’s not going to be as fun as with a “lesser” historical loadout.

The C-10 should be much more maneuverable than the J-8F and AV-8B, it also gets PGMs and even though it only gets 72 CMs they should be single pops instead of doubles so it’s kind of the equivalent of 144 CMs.

C10 uses the same engine as C7 while being heavier, and C7 already loses to F-8F in AOA [J-8F pulls over 3Gs more than C7], and sustained [C7 is ~13.6 degrees per second while J-8F is ~16 degrees per second].

Then the J-8Fs FM is over performing. IRL the J-8 has a 6.9G limit while the Kfir has a 7.5 and a higher T/W.