Thank you, I’ll definitely make a report regarding this issues since the Kfir is my favorite aircraft of all time, however I’d still like to compile a bit more source material, mainly due to me using a great amount of secondary sources.
Also because I’d like to report my new findings regarding the Kfir C.10 Block 60 in this forum thread as well.
Excellent research; these details may seem small, but they are very useful for simulator games. The Kfir C.10, specifically, was a hurried vehicle that is not entirely complete, and the worst part is that, due to a poor understanding of game balance, its armament and other missing avionics will not be complete. I hope this very interesting vehicle gets fixed.
Another gem produced by the Israeli industry, this time being the Colombian modernization of their existing C.10 fleet. Before anyone reads any further, I’d like to direct to GranColombia’s Kfir C.10 Block 60 dedicated thread for context in regards to this particular aircraft.
During my research into the Kfir C.10 Block 60, there have been many pieces of evidence, footage, images, and many more pieces of useful information to get this Kfir variant to historical accuracy, due to the length of provided material, this will be divided into other smaller sub-sections.
Part of the found information in regards to the Kfir C.10 Block 60’s avionics has been due to the Colombian Air Force’s Official YouTube Channel, WebInfoMil’s YouTube Channel and Hector Cordoba’s YouTube Channel, which thanks to their uploaded videos have made this entirely possible.
As it stands today, we currently only have two dedicated MFD modes in the Kfir C.10 Block 60’s MFD’s, those being:
A bug report requesting the addition of these extra MFD modes has been already made, here is the link to the report.
According to the footage found we can extend these MFD modes up to the following list:
Left MFD:
Right MFD
Now, to compare, prove, and contrast here are the actual cockpit pictures of the Kfir C.10 Block 60:
Currently the Kfir C.10 Block 60 has 3 main HUD modes available in-game, these being:
Curiously, and according to the Kfir CE HUD picture seen in the post above, one may conclude that both the Kfir 2000 / CE and the Kfir C.10 Block 60 use the same HUD.
However, this is unfortunately incorrect in comparison to the pictures that will be provided below:
[WebInfomil] – Step on board a Kfir and experience a live air resupply mission with the KC-767
[Colombian Aerospace Forces] – 90 years serving our Nation
[Colombian Aerospace Forces] – Colombian Air Force en route to Red Flag Rescue 2021 | To Fly Magazine
[IAI] – Kfir Aircraft - Master the Skies with this Advanced Fighter Aircraft | IAI
[Colombian Aerospace Forces] – State Authority of Aeronautical State Aviation, a pillar for our Public Force’s aviation
[Colombian Aerospace Forces] – “Relámpago IX-24”, elite training between Colombia and the USA
[Colombian Aerospace Forces] – 50 years of Supersonic Aviation
[Colombian Aerospace Forces] – MY HEART BEATS FOR YOU
[Colombian Aerospace Forces] – The Air Force will execute its first Package Commander Mission
[Johan Quintero] – kfir blitz video
[Johan Quintero] – kfir blitz… take off from Pto Salgar
[Hector Cordoba]’s YouTube Channel:
[Getty Images] – Israel Aerospace Industries Headquarters Campus Visit
Brochures and other information
Edits done so far:
I highly encourage everyone to keep the research ongoing, to present further evidence in the bug-reports I am planning on doing this week.
Greetings Kfir enjoyers, I have great news, I’ve done the bug-reports, for now the only one that seems to be missing are the Kfir C.2/C.7 EEGS ones.
Here is a list of bug-reports I’ve done so far:
Please show them some love (yes I’m begging), it took me a lot of time to report them, as the process of not just writing the report, but actually getting the research components takes a lot of time, and even so, I still try to find as many extra sources as I can in order to keep the reports as air-tight as possible.
For now, the only pending reports I have are:
[Note: this last report about the anti-glare coating is still in research stage, I’ve confirmed the Kfir CE / C.10 / 2000 has the anti-glare coating through images published, however I have not proven if this holds true for the Kfir C.10 Block 60 despite having the same HUD]
I’ve got news, unfortunately, the Kfir C.10 Block 60 doesn’t seem to have any sort of anti-glare HUD coating in comparison to the Kfir CE (C.10)
Greetings once again Kfir enjoyers, I’ve made new reports regarding the Kfir C.10 Block 60 and Kfir C.2/C.7
As before, please go and show them some love, I hope they can soon be accepted.
There might be more reports done depending on the inaccuracies and missing features I may find during the reporting process.
I have a question,does the kfir canard count as a c model kfir?
Correct, I forgot to add it to the title.
It counts as it got those little canards on the fuselage and nose (fun fact: they’re removable iirc)
Edit: nevermind, past me did add it to the title
Greetings everyone, I have good news and bad news.
The good news are that a lot of the planned reports have been made and reported by now, leaving it up to Gaijin’s chances to get them accepted or even a simple response from part of the bug-reporting managers.
The bad news is that there are still reports missing to file, I’ve covered a few so far, though I am still missing the crucial ones:
Here are the current reports that have been made:
Another two reports have been made in favor of Israeli avionics, in this case, these apply to the DASH III and the Advanced Threat Display (ATD) in the F-16I Sufa:
Lastly, once again, these are the missing reports in regard to the Kfir series of aircraft:
I will definitely be taking my time publishing these reports, since I’ve got to continue making progress in my major.
Thank you for reading, further progress will be provided, just as a small spoiler of what will likely be reported in a bit.
[Author’s Note: I somehow have better scores in Vector Calculus (58/100) than in General Chemistry (42/100), I would find it hilarious if taking the courses for a second time were cheap. I genuinely wonder how…]
As well as the previous post made before, I would like to report something pretty quickly.
Now, you might have guessed or arrived to this conclusion due to common manufacturer behavior, as upgrade packages for aircraft and other suites are usually provided to other series of compatible or requested aircraft depending on the manufacturer or the country of request origin.
This is likely a good hypothesis to start with, however hard to prove if you lack the evidence, HOWEVER, we can definitely see the Kfir C.10 Block 60’s electronics upgrades in use at another IAI project:
I do not wish to delve in to the history of this specific variant of the L-159, though to provide enough context, the F/A-259 was an IAI development project first presented at Fanborough International Airshow 2018, providing a modernized strike aircraft dedicated to Counterinsurgency and multi-role demands of global air forces according to the media coverage.
Part of these modernizations provided are the overhauled cockpit and sensors, boasting two primary full-color MFD’s, the ELTA EL/M-2052 or EL/M-2032 radar, NVG, HMD and many more capabilities.
Upon a closer look, one may notice that these upgrades are the same ones done to the Kfir C.10 Block 60, this is also provided by the following article.
It is undeniable that these are the same avionics upgrades as those provided to the Kfir C.10 Block 60. Once again, we have unearthed another piece towards the development of the Kfir series of aircraft.
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did the c10 not recieve a new fly by wire?
because its dampening sas mode for simulator is garbage. same with auto leveling
I am not exactly sure about it, however it seems it is mostly a problem in the entirety of the Kfir series, the SAS modes are pure dogshit for whatever reason.
But I don’t think it’s received it in-game, if anything it handles the same as the Kfir C.7, and I haven’t really looked into the historical accuracy of this claim.
Though I’m 60% sure it did have it.
I have an answer.
I was looking through documents and found this document which seems to refer to the hydraulics system of the Kfir aircraft, and also found this exact excerpt:
They also provided images from the official Kfir COA manual:
Translation to English:
As well as the following news coverage of the Kfir modernization project over at Palanquero Air Force Base, in which a Colombian Air Force pilot part of the project states:
Translation to English:
Another news coverage at Palanquero Air Force Base provided by “Caracol News” states the following:
Translation to English:
So far none of these news coverage and the hydraulics report do not point towards a fly-by-wire integration on the Kfir C.10, which would line up with the C.10 package being a partial upgrade rather than a total overhaul, therefore, still keeping the hydraulic controls on the surfaces of the aircraft
Now, I do have my doubts in regards to this conclusion, mainly because of a few things on my mind:
These inconsistencies withing the material provided, and the lack of further evidence makes me think that the conclusion arrived is likely to be confirmed rather than a fact. Is it with high likelihood the Kfir C.10 still uses hydraulic controls? Yes. Can I prove it? I am not sure.
Going to post some bug reports for Kfir C.1…
Holy shit that’s an incredible finding.
Would you mind sharing the document?
wtf is f-21
