I mean, im strongly of the opinion that decent sized countries shouldn’t be split between trees, because those countries still have pretty massive playerbases, and its not really fair to lock the vehicles behind several different nations.
Its also the fact, why add a tested vehicle to germany under the aussie flag? Like at that point just add it under the german flag instead, as im fairly certain ghe Bundeswehr would have tested it at least once, and there are xases of export tanks being under the main nations flag, such as the Vickers MBTs
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Lynx was unveiled at a closed ceremony with selected Australian industry partners at the MILVEHCOE. Each of the Lynx vehicles delivered into the RMA trials will incorporate a significant level of Australian industry content and local partners to the Rheinmetall offer for Land 400 Phase 3 will be announced in coming weeks.
designed and built in germany nicely found out
it was then delivered to australia.
They designed it to fit australias requirements in the competition nothing more
australian themself had not much to do with the design process itself besides giving requirements
This is valid as a suggestion as it was tested and trailed as a part of Australia’s Land 400 Phase 3.
Yes it’s a German made vehicle however he is suggesting the KF41’s that were used for the Australian trails there for it is valid as a suggestion. Please stop all this bait commenting and trolling, and try to remain on topic.
Thats in the hand of the devs ,
He csnt make statements for gajin in that regard. Since most suggestion mods are voluntary community members
Only his personal opinion and preference if anything
just that germany would current have the most legitimacy.
Because as stated multiple times australia does not exist as a playable nation in war thunder
How or where a vehicle may or may not be added into the game is completely in the hands of the dev’s (of course they will review what the player base may want but in the end they are the ones that call the shots). This suggestion is for the vehicle itself, and what nation it could go to is unknown. People may discuss it a bit, but discussions need to remain civil and on topic.
They both share very similar capabilities, the redback is way nore unique and not contested and its implementation into UK would be no problem to ensble a future australien line up with its real service vehicles.
In the mean time the denied kf41 for australia can return to its home nation and birth place
I still eont understand the problem how every other country csn get their export only vehicles
Chally 2e, vickers mk7, vt 4 etc etc.
But its a problem as soon as germany asks for it oh the irony
The problem here is Gaijin has made mistakes, and now we’re left to argue over what should and shouldn’t be.
I will forever advocate the Australian Lynx is a KF41 incorporating Australian equipment/technology as mentioned in press releases, used by the Australian Army for trials to evaluate its potential for Australian service and an Australian production contract. This particular suggested Lynx, I feel, would have to carry the Australian flag in game because of that Australian involvement. And as an Australian, I don’t want my vehicles being split up in different tech trees.
I’d love to have a lineup with both the AS21 Redback and this KF41 Lynx, as well as an M1A1 AIM, our Boxer CRV, and a Tiger ARH attack helicopter, and maybe an F-111C, and potentially others. If it goes to Germany, it locks it away from any potential future Australian tech tree that could ever have such a lineup.
But because Gaijin started splitting up Canada and Australia in to different tech trees (and other nations like Turkey), suddenly there’s also a precedent for it, something Canadians and Australians have been up in arms about ever since. Not our fault, not your fault. And now we argue about whether or not they should do that.
The thing i am since long advocating for is non nation based line ups. Would solve everything.
Nations can mke theie favourite line up even if vehicles are split over multiple nations.
Problems like no spaa available no vas would become irrelevant. The solution for everything would be research another tech tree and would reward players to research another tree in a way.
Still points standa the lynx stays more german.
The australian technology parts talks about the standards of your in service radios, mgs etc having been integrated. There is no major australian technology which would make this kf41 special. Kf41 german, spike isralian, iron fist isralian as well.
Fact is the land 400 phase 3 only listed requirements and thats what the kf41 afterwards has been designed for in germany and has been built in germany. Tested extensively there already as well that eveeything works and finaly send over to australia to comptete.
We dont say its german as a joke. We have or national pride into our products.
We see it as incredible unfair that apparently every other nation csn get their export exclusive vehicles but apparently germany cant. Where is the justice there?
I dont think that was the case. I am yet to find any connection between the later 2E and South Africa. It was presented on DSEI 1999, then somewhere else, unsure where, and then it was discontinued.
Most export vehicles have local versions as well anyway. The KF41 is a little different in that there is no German army interest in it apparently. What other German export vehicles are in the game that Germany did not get at all? Also, couldn’t you just have a German Lynx? The ones displayed or marketed to Greece, Slovakia, Czech Republic, these would all be 100% German probably. And Greece at least is highly unlikely to ever get any future sub tree, where Australia could.
The Australian systems on it may have been more than just machine guns and radios. It could also have been fire control systems, various sensors etc. It would be interesting to find an article that goes over the local industry’s input and what it actually was. The Combat Support Vehicle even used Australian armour (link to article) although probably not the case for the KF41.
Random side note, apparently the first Lynx USA got for testing was built in Australia if this article is correct. https://www.armadainternational.com/2021/10/rheinmetall-australia-to-export-first-home-built-lynx-ifv-to-the-united-states/
Vt 4 is the biggest offender coming to my mind that. Most others have base vehicles in their developer tree already yeah.
Germany has all its base exports in the game. The others are only small modifications for export rws, add on armor in case of strv122s.
Where we are asking for our equivalent leo 2 tvm since god knows how long already as well.
Greece was just a hungarian kf41 shown of at an arms convention. Hungary even has a skin of it inthe game if i remember right.
Slovakia and czech republic. Was only ever talks that until now didnt lead anywhere. There is no picture of a a kf41 actualy inbtheir country.
Besides that many wouls disagree, greece has a lot of stuff and could be a sub tree. Top tier 2a6hel, apache, tor m1, f-16s ,rafale. Are the quick highlights coming to my mind.
As of right now the australian kf41 is the only other finished kf41 variant in existence and the only one germany would get claims to.
Us, italy both procurring or testing them right now are in the game.
The prototypes as stated are prototypes, they look ugly, lack several systems the APS for one as the important factor. And way less information being known abiut them making implementation even harder and biggee speculation. And you know how gajin adds stuff that has even less information available
About the US kf41, yeah no clue anymore about that. That one has been so heavily modified with US tech you clearly see and know the german influence is at a minimum and doesnt look hhat similar anymore ro other kf41s
Those Greek highlights could easily be the occasional vehicle here and there, premiums etc. Not a whole sub tree. But hasn’t Greece also accepted the KF41 and is acquiring them? You could literally get a Greek KF41. Although that creates the same problem for Greeks, since their Apache is already in the USA tree. Their only 2 vehicles would be locked away from each other. Still a Gaijin created problem therefore. But a better option imo than putting an Australian KF41 in a different tech tree.
Australia already has the highest number of vehicles in the entire game of any nation that isn’t an official tech tree or sub tree. At 15 vehicles, it’s actually more than some sub trees. And I think I can say with 100% certainty that if an Australian sub tree came, it wouldn’t go to Germany. UK most likely, or maybe with Canada, or our Pacific neighbors like Indonesia, or even Israel would be more likely than Germany.
nup, rheinmetall offered it, but nothing went out of it until now. There is no greek KF41
yes, but its not the case. Your most important MBT is already split to the US as well.
It is just following the implemantation laws like i stated multiple times
Same situation as the leo 2a4m can it would go to germany.
UK just has to much already, it is unfair for other nations and trees and thats a fact.
I am all for a standalone azeca what ever tree, but benelux already has been denied for the same reason because u guys dont have enough unique stuff that would make cash for gajin.
Solve the australia home issue and we would back down, but i can tell you they wont declare it a subtree, because at this point the whole community would riot about UK getting yet another sub tree, canadian would start complaining even further etc.
Australia and canada are already at a losing point and there is no going back. India in UK sealed the deal and they wont reverse that decision either anymore. India is to big of a market
Yes, I know War Thunder has created these problems, doesn’t mean I can’t hate it and try to stop it from getting worse.
The worst part is UK mains nearly all agree they never wanted India, and most would have preferred Australia and Canada to South Africa.
Long term, it’s not reasonable to think “if x nation gets this tree now it would be unfair”. The game will reach a point where almost every BR in every nation has way more than enough vehicles. You know, Germany might get a new sub tree 6 months from now, Israel in 10 months, all the new vehicles added every update to every nation. Then maybe in a couple years Australia is added officially somewhere and nobody will think twice about it being “unfair” if that ended up being UK. At some point, no tree will be found wanting, so let’s not make it too messy now so we can have good outcomes later.
