fair, still the australian one makes sense
it would either be an event, squad or premium depends on gaijin sinceit goes into the export addition rule, made for export, not adopted by other nation- so there is 2 option outside of TT or in the TT just like the challenger 2 E
we aint fighting that, but the whole reason the debate is here is cause the KF41 is not operated by australia, australia operates the redback
This prototype was operated by Australia, you can research the history on it if you want. Rheinemetall Australia even made a battlefield engineering version for if they’d won the contract. One off trials vehicles and prototypes are all fair game. This suggestion isn’t for a German KF41 or a Hungarian KF41, it’s for an Australian operated one.
its trialed not operated. those it goes to germany
the definition of operated vehicles literaly is that it was in active servcice as well
You’re misinterpreting that, it does not say at all that trials vehicles are not classified as operator. That was when Smin said they’d continue to split up Aussie and Canadian operated vehicles in to different trees, which none of us liked.
no i didnt misinterpret that, thats what i myself am saying and whats generaly considered as operated
what smin posted is the definition of gajins implemenations and kf41 following it going to germany most likely
good that the kf41 isnt a australian vehicle to begin with then
Your post layouts are misleading, and I don’t agree with your opinions. Let’s leave it at that.
we got all quotes of Smin saying australia is not a sub tree saved as a file, if you wanna i can share all 10 or sth like that with you
I know they said that, but we are saying we not only WANT an Australian designated sub tree, but it annoys us to no end when they split Australian and Canadian vehicles in to different trees. And IF there is no sub tree designated coming in the future, we are saying the UK tree is where all our stuff should go/where we want it since we have heavy ties to UK and nearly all our other vehicles are already there anyway.
There could be numerous KF41s in the game, Germany could get their own, they wouldn’t want or need an Australian one AS WELL. If an Australian one was added, which is what this suggestion is for, we want it in the UK tree unless a new tech tree has come out with Australia in it. Like a Canada + ANZACs tree, or an ANZACs + other Pacific nations tree, or something like that.
and once again to illiterate, there is no finished KF41, every KF41 is designed with user nations in mind
they are still german at the end of the day, the current KF41 versions in existence are
kf41 operators right now this moment are hungary , no other user
italy orderd and in development → nation in game cant receive either
US kf41 in competition right now —> nation in ngame and still in competition
KF41 australia, ----> nation not in game, australia declined the kf41 and choosed the redback. ok for german implementation
There is NO finished KF41 versionin existence germany could get besides the Australian one.
Australia declined it in favour for the redback. You guys cut your connection to it.
So now it would go to germany since it fills the desires and requirements for germany of an APS IFV.
It is not australian anymore. that you guys are clinging to a vehicle you have nothing to do with anymore and is easily replaced by the redback is not understandable.
I am happy gajin constantly is denying those delusions, because what you guys constantly are pulling of is unbelievable
“Reiterate”
And don’t ever pretend to tell me which parts of my history I should ignore to fill your own selfish desires. If there is no German version, that’s not my fault. For years our people worked on this program, and tested the vehicle. I have friends who work for the company and were involved. This was an Australian program for an Australian contract.
not my fault either australia declined the KF41 and its not big enough of a nation to warrant its own tree
under german contract, developed in germany, designed by germans likely produced in germany and shipped over as well but not to sure there
Yeah, I’m all for more Australian vehicles for Britain, however this isn’t an Australian vehicle, they can add the trials version to the German tree, but because it never saw service there’s no precedent for putting it in the British tree.
I mean just look at the Challenger 2E, sent for trials with the Hellenic Army, but still under the British flag in game because it was never adopted, that is just how it should be for trials vehicles.
If we need an Australian IFV, just add the vehicle that beat the KF41 in the trials, the AS21 which would be both unique and probably better than the KF41
The Lynx is a German designed vehicle. It is supposed to be a cheaper Puma for the export market, as Germany already has the Puma. Australia was thought as a potential buyer, but the Lynx was not designed with specifically Australia in mind.
Rheinmetall put it up into the Australian program to compete against the Redback.
Both vehicles got tested by Autralia and in the end the Redback won this competition and was put into service.
The Lynx lost the competition as was not put into service.
If you now say that any tested or trialed vehicle is fair game, you are opening a lot of opportunities for all nations to get all kinds of vehicles. As example, Germany could get the F-18, because they tested it, but never had it in service.
That aside, lets assume this can be done. Then an Australian Tree could get this vehicle.
But now, since there is no Australian tree, you want to add it into the British tree.
Which means you want to add a prototype of a nation that is not a sub-nation-tree into an existing tree, just because other vehicles of that other nation already exist in that tree.
Does that mean, that every nation which has a vehicle of another nation could get prototypes and tested vehicle of that other nation? No.
Russia getting tested vehicles or prototypes from Syria because they have some of their vehicles?
Germany getting Swiss or Agentinian prototypes and tested vehicles? (Swiss-trialed Gripen to Germany, you know? let that sink in.)
China getting Pakistani tested vehicles and prototypes?
Italy getting Romanian tested vehicles and prototypes?
Sweden getting trialed vehicles from Norway or Denmark?
Everyone would loose their minds. Especially if the tested vehicles were not of domestic production or design.
And the Lynx is neither an Australian design, nor an Australian production, nor in Australian service.
It being added into a standalone Australian tree could be done, but not into the British tree.
And since there is no standalone Australian tree, one should focus on the vehicles actually in service and operated.
The ship of every vehicle in every tree has basically already sailed. As I said, I want an Australian sub tree, so my views will be with that potential future in mind. And I want anything waving an Australian flag to be in the same tech tree as anything else waving an Australian flag so I can play lineups together.
THAT IS WHAT THIS SUGGESTION IS FOR! (Not yelled, just capitalized for emphasis)
You all have the issue that this was only a trials vehicle and should go to Germany. That’s fine, if it’s a German vehicle and Australia is not the operator (neither is Germany, sounds like Germany never even looked at it…just saying), then this suggestion will not get passed/implemented. Instead a KF41 with Germany as the operator would be put in instead.
But since this IS a suggestion for one operated by Australia, even if that was only a trials vehicle with tech and design input from Australian companies and personnel, then it goes in one tech tree with all other Australian vehicles. Because splitting them up is a spit in our face.
Edit: One last note, the German army and German government do not own Rheinmetall, so if Germany didn’t consider this vehicle for themselves, while other nations either did buy it, or trialed it, then Germany has no claim to it either. Only those other nations. The KF41 is itself a private venture by the company and not government commissioned.
This KF41 ausggestion is made for the implementation into germany ,done by the german community with german sources etc
Its not for an australian tree. You didnt care to mske the suggestion yourself, because its a trial vehicle as well.
Then it is, thats your problem. Besides its already split up, tell me again where is australians mbt sitting?
Look the 2a4m can , it fits all checkboxes of the kf41 + it is operated by canada officialy and actively. Just like 2a4m can a unique modification of canada who no other nation operates. Take a guess where it ended up implemented? Yes germany ,because that is its home since canada and australia have no home in the game and UK is already bloates with 2 sub trees which u csnt change
Every export has to be allowed by the goverment.
Russian, chinese ,Us all have exports like this. Take a guess where they ended up veing implemented, yes you are right in their develoment nation. Rheinmetall is no different then the vehicles of the other nations.
Its how gajin always has handled implementation
Vickers mk 7, challenger 2e, vt 4 all export exclusive ended up in their developer nation
2a4m can t72 turms and so on, allnin their developer nation.
Iranian F-14
Its how this game works, you just dont want to see the reality. We arent wrong here.
Its completly a you issue.
“Didn’t care to make the suggestion yourself”.
I made a whole Australian tree suggestion, and the KF41 is in there.
Your examples of other vehicles are pointless. They may have done it in the past, but it’s wrong and only angers players. Ask any Canadian how they feel about the 2A4M being in the German tree.
Your entire argument is just “I want a vehicle my nation didn’t operate to be in my nation’s tree”. Get out of here. If you don’t want an Australian Lynx, don’t vote yes for it, and don’t make a suggestion for it. Make one for a German Lynx.
It’s not a “me problem”, don’t be a rude prick.
Australia didnt operate the kf41 in military either ,so your whole argument is invalid either way as well.
There is suggestion for the weirdest and silliest stuff like stand alone benelux erc at this point.
They will never be realised
Sucks to be you it is a german lynx , all lynxes by their nature is german you just dont wanna face reality lol
This lynx will be great addition for the geeman tree.
Sad that your australian tree suggestion apparently is so poor you need vehicles you denied to even stay relevant as a tree apparantly
Just wanna post this here. As the vehicle was tested by Australia, it does belong to it. Wherever it would be added is up to Gaijin.
If Australian military didn’t operate the Lynx, who the hell is driving it in this photo? Maybe the Germans came to Australia and told us what they were experiencing and whether or not we should buy it. Maybe all the people working for Rheinmetall Australia are all secretly Germans. I better go hit my friend up about his true nationality eh? If your only criteria for “operator nation” right now is active service, we’ve got a LOT of prototypes to remove from the game.
But since you’re starting to verge on racist towards Australians with your comments anyway, this will be my last post in reply to you. I have no desire to converse with you and your incorrect views any further.
