That model is based on some older test variant, this isnt newer (check no dircm, etc)
Weird i thought it said 1000m on the same website before
I see
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In case you needed it I have found some additional info on the Kamov 52M with LMUR missile. It has been seen with this new pod called the “AS-BPLA command line” which is rather large and I have no idea if the pod is absolutely required to use the missile or not. The LMUR can be installed on single or dual pylons but I’m not sure if the inner pylon on the left side can install it as I can’t find any image of it.
“The first modernized Ka-52M helicopter fitted with the AS-BPLA datalink pod (1) and APU-305 rail (2) for the LMUR missile. This odd-shaped pod at the end of the left wing with a radio-transparent nose houses the AS-BPLA command line for communication between the helicopter and the LMUR missile.”
Piotr Butowski, aviation journalist, writer and photographer.
The missile has thermal optical seeker that can stream video directly to the cockpit via the AS-BPLA pod. Missile also can be fired from behind cover with no LOS needed. GLONASS targeting in the general direction and then the optical seeker is enabled last minute for accurate guidance. This method of fire cannot be done without the pod. Of course direct fire via the new targeting pod is possible. I don’t expect this to be added as it would mean gaijin HAS to give western nations brimstones which exceed this missile easily in guidance and amount carried. Both this and the brimstone would even outrange most op CAS jets easily.
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(ik it’s already been said to be the incorrect model but i wanted to post this anyways)
Roof mounted FLIR is from the early early ka-52 days before russia figured out the spacing issues with the nose radar and Below nose FLIR, and for a stop gap solution they slapped it on top instead.
At least that’s my guess why it exists
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I believe gaijin or at least a wiki person has covered this but not too sure.
https://wiki.warthunder.com/Dynamics_of_War_Thunder_missiles
It says “800mm vs dynamic protection/behind active armor” but I don’t know
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1st and foremost thank you for the new info. Do you think if the Brimstones are added we would get Hermes A with the 170mm booster?
(Edit: Did some digging and found a study paper cleared for public release on the KA-52 authored by U.S Army G-2 Intelligence. The problem is that it’s dated 2011 so some information is outdates such as how many missiles can be carried on a pylon but the information is good for the penetration values and range of Hermes-A and upgraded 9A4172 Vikhr.)
Certainly, if we got brimstones first with milimetric wave radar guidance then there isn’t any reason gaijin won’t add Hermes A. I mean it’s more realistic that gaijin would add the Hermes A before the brimstone. Brimstone ignores foliage, trees, smoke and can even see through buildings if they are thin enough. I think if we see any of this it would be at the same time as gaijin adding the AH-64E for UK and US. It’s already been 5 years since they last gave us top tier helis like apache and ka-50 it’s about time we got something new. This update I don’t think they will even add a heli.
Rapid salvo mode would be scary though, you could kill half the enemy team without having to show yourself to SPAA or even maintain a lock.
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Unlikely hermes a has an active seeker. Considering newer ka52 got an aesa radar. My guess is that they are radar beam riding, but this is all speculations
Yeah I reread it and the guidance is listed as ACLOS suggesting it’s most likely exactly as you said.
I then did some more digging and decided to look for the manufacturers website because most places don’t have information or provide a source. The website was taken down for maintenance since 2018 and other articles have been deleted but luckily there’s a public archive on the waybackmachine. The manufacturer themselves list the guidance as radio command with option of inertial (probably to circumvent jamming of transmitter).
Here’s the translated official stats from the manufacturer’s page of Hermes-A:
Maximum firing range day and night: 15-20 km
Guidance system:
From the firing location to arrival to target area: inertial or radio command
During final approach: homing (most likely SAL homing)
Ammunition of guided missiles: up to 16 pcs
Maximum flight speed: 1000 m/s
Warhead weight: 30 kg
Type of warhead: high explosive fragmentation
Weight of the Hermes missile in the container: 110 kg
Dimensions of Hermes missile:
Booster stage: 170 mm
Final stage: 130 mm
Length of container with rocket: 3500 mm
Information on equipment used for firing and guidance:
The optical-electronic system (OES), which includes television and thermal imaging channels of technical vision, two channels of laser target designation, electronic units (including a two-channel automatic target tracking system), a video viewing device and a manipulator, ensures detection and recognition of targets in day and night conditions, automatic tracking and laser illumination of targets.
The computer system, multifunctional control panel, automation units and information exchange line implement the launch of missiles and the interaction of the complex’s components, as well as its interface with the carrier’s on-board radio-electronic equipment.
- improving the combat qualities of military transport and combat helicopters due to the increased firing range and power of the universal guided missile warhead;
- reducing your own losses in the face of enemy air defense;
- irreversible destruction of small targets with one missile, disabling large targets by successively destroying vital elements;
- high combat performance due to salvo firing (two missiles in a salvo at different targets), supersonic missile speed and automation of the complex.
Looks like this means it can only guide two at a time so it’s good thing they fly mach 3. Also I seen websites that say this is fire and forget, that’s simply isn’t true. You have to have line of sight the entire time unless there is a ground crew with laser designator which isn’t in the game.
Source: ОАО «Конструкторское бюро приборостроения» - Гермес-А
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imagine if it was another heli for nato countries, with more fire and forget missiles while russia has none of them?
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