Early utility helis with no guided munitions or auto cannons I could see but i think that’s more of a compression issue more than anything
Not talking about Ka 50 just to clarify, but many heli are easy targets for CAS, which are simply quicker, more survivable and are much better at taking down ground targets.
No, the Kamovs are undertiered.
They need to go to 12.0
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A Vikhrs can hit a target at 10km in less time than it takes a AH-64 to hit a target with a hellfire at 8km.
Considering the worse thing you have to deal with in a Vikhrs is a ADATS with a max range of barely 10km vs what the Apache has to deal with which is the 16km range Pantsir. Its not even close.
and many AH-64s are actually at 12.0 vs the Ka-50 at 11.3 (The A2G radar is barely worth mentioning without AGM-114Ls to actually mkae proper use of it )
(Just doubled checked, 38 seconds for hellfire to travel 8km vs Vikhrs taking 26 seconds at 10km)
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No, they are rather balanced where they are. The 52 could possibly see 11.7
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Neither belong at 11.3 regardless. They’re performing ability is well above that BR placement.
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Nah, I’m guessing no one on you team ever puts up SPAA or you’d see that they aren’t as OP as you think.
Ka-52 is the strongest non-FnF heli in the game by far due to the DIRCM
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Hellfire missiles are slower. The vikhrs give LESS TIME for people to escape your missile. The ka-50 is NOT overtiered. Look at the Z-10. now THAT heli has bad ATGMS. that are 100m/s SLOWER than hellfires…
A hellfire takes 24seconds to hit a target at 6km and the vikhr takes 14 seconds. Thats a 10 second difference…
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Just wait for LMUR…
Find me a SPAA other than the slow, easily discernable rolands that can engage and counter a Kamov that’s hugging the treeline.
I’ll wait.
Incase you’ve forgotten, optical lock is worthless outside of roughly 2 miles, which means the Kamov’s already killed you by two and a half times that distance.
Trust me, I know. I’ve killed plenty in the Type 81C alone. I know exactly how dogwater optical lock is.
Top tier helicopters are 12.0.
Top tier planes are 12.7.
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Just wait for proper Brimstones
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Imagine if all the NATO hardware in the game worked at least half as good as it did IRL.
The amount of tears from the IvanBoos would be cataclysmic.
Yeah… they would. OP mentions the Apache radar without even mentioning that its basically a gimmick in game that serves little to no practical use. Should be able to fire FnF AGMs without even line of sight thanks to that radar.
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Yup. Hell, we can’t even get proper Longbow Hellfires in the game but look at all the shit they get to have.
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So you want arguably OP stuff added just because you dislike a singluar nation?
As for my thoughts on the topic, all ATGM carrying helicopters (except the Swedish starter one) are really good due to them outranging SPAA most of the time. The only weak helicopters are ones without guided munitions.
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And at tiers where SPAAs catch up range wise, helicopters start receiving help like MAWs that give them ample time to duck behind cover before missile comes close.
This is like SPAAs are never allowed to properly counter helicopters.
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Do those helicopters get 10km missiles though? Where do you want to move Ka50 down to, 11.0? 10.7?. Unless I’m forgetting something, I don’t think there is a single non-Russian SPAA with 10km of range below 11.7. Would be cruel to ask 10.0/9.7 lineups to face it.
Have you actually used the Radar on the Apache’s?. They do not discern between live tanks and wrecks, just radar clutter everywhere. The Longbow radar is basically useless without Longbow hellfire.
That’s literally how the BR of everything in the game is determined.
Have you ever tried to lock a helicopter with these missiles? Usually you can’t beyond like 1-1.5km, by which point it’s too late, and even if you do lock and get one off, the IR signature of Heli’s is so silly low that MAW auto-flare tends to save you anyway. Guns are exponentially more effective at taking down helicopters than missiles.
Even if they moved Ka-50 down to 11.0, wallet warriors silly enough to put Ka50 in their 10.3 lineup are still seeing top tier either way. You’d have to drop Ka50 to 10.7 to avoid this, but that cannot ever happen.
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LMAOOOOO HAHAHAHA
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