Ju 88 P-5

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I would like to suggest here the P-5 version of which 1 was produced
The P series are modified Ju 88 C-6 (which is allready in game) to carry: P-1 a Pak 40/Bk 75, P-2 2x Bk 37 (mostly unchanged A-4), P-3 2x Bk 37 more armor and Jumo 211 P engines (starting power 1500 hp at 2700 rpm) P-4 Ausf. A carring a hand loaded 5 cm Bk 5 with 42 rounds (Only 1 build) and P-4 Ausf. B (32 build and used with great effect at the eastern front) as drum fed 5 cm Bk 5 with 36 rounds.

History: With the ever more threatening russian tank army moving against the german attacks the call for more CAS was needed. While beeing more cost effective and having more potential per flight than bombs, cannons on planes are not easy to implement (big ones) so strong carrier planes were equiped with cannons from 37mm to 88mm of the Types Ju 87, 88, Me 410, and Hs 129.

The Ju 88 P series was more or less effective, planned to fight tanks and Bombers, the results werent that good, because the guns with the HUGE baskets made them slow and a nice target for enemy fighters and ground units.

Never the less the P series was used as Ground striker with overall good effect.

The P-3 series was sent to one squadron of the Nachtschlachtgruppe 1, 2, 4, 8 and 9 for night attacks on the eastern front, northern Norway and Italy

Why i would like to see it (or them) in game:

Germany is famous for those planes and they are liked by many players (the planes in game allready) and overall there are multiple planes like these in the different trees such as US, RU, JP, IT and Germany.

However the P-5 is quite unique, only 1 was build for tests, as it was armed with the 88mm DüKa, a recoilless gun using the normal 88mm Shells (not casings)

In game it would be similar to the Ju 88 P-1 with Bk 75, however with less rounds, less fire rate, heavyer and lower velocity (500-600) however greatly increased damage against all targets, especially with the Heat round. It would be a fun plane with the 2nd biggest plane armarment.

The 88mm Düka (Düsenkanone) fires at a rate of up to 15 rpm with a Rack of 10 rounds and another in the breech (11 rounds max) and would offer a big, stable fireing platform.


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The gun fires the standart 88mm shells (NOT CASINGS) which include the Pzgr. (Apcbc) 500m/s, Gr. 39 Hl (Heat)600m/s and Sprgr. L/4,5 (He) 500m/s for more info about the gun and ammo as well as other feel free to look at my informatic post about German ww2 Aircraft Armarment and Ammo of 7,92mm to 88mm

The Plane Ju 88 P-5 based on the A-4

  • Crew: 3 (pilot, radio operator/rear gunner, navigator/ventral gunner)
  • Length: 14.4 m (47 ft 3 in)
  • Wingspan: 20 m (65 ft 7 in)
  • Height: 4.8 m (15 ft 9 in)
  • Wing area: 54.5 m2 (587 sq ft)
  • Empty weight: 9,860 kg (21,737 lb)
  • Gross weight: 12,105 kg (26,686 lb)
  • Max takeoff weight: 14,000 kg (30,865 lb)
  • Powerplant: 2x Jumo 211 P engines 1500 hp take off power
  • Propellers: 3-bladed VDM variable-pitch propeller

Performance

  • Maximum speed: 470 km/h (290 mph, 250 kn) at 5,300 m (17,390 ft) and 12,500 kg (27,557 lb)
  • Cruise speed: 370 km/h (230 mph, 200 kn) at 5,300 m (17,390 ft) economical cruising speed
  • Range: 1,790 km (1,110 mi, 970 nmi) with 2,896 l (765 US gal; 637 imp gal)
  • Ferry range: 2,730 km (1,700 mi, 1,470 nmi) with 4,028 l (1,064 US gal; 886 imp gal)
  • Service ceiling: 8,200 m (26,900 ft)
  • Time to altitude: 5,400 m (17,700 ft) in 23 minutes
  • Wing loading: 220 kg/m2 (45 lb/sq ft)
  • Power/mass: 0.100 hp/lb (0.164 kW/kg)

Armament

  • Guns:
    • 1x Düka 88mm 11 rounds at 15 rpm
    • 2 × 7.92 mm MG 81J machine guns on flexible mount in the rear of the cockpit canopy, firing aft with 1,000 rounds each.
    • 1 × 7.92 mm MG 81Z twin machine gun on flexible mount in the rear ventral Bola position, firing aft with 1,000 rounds.

Source:
Aircraft of the Luftwaffe 1935-1945, Jean-Denis G.G. Lepage
The Warplanes of the Third Reich, William Green (1972)
Junker Ju 88P, Rickard, J.
Warthunder Wiki

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An 88mm on a plane. Never thought I’d see the day! +1

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Yes

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What’s the penetration at that muzzle velocity?

77mm/10m
With heat still 110mm/all.

Would be so much fun.

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Yeah, this would be fun especially that this plane unlike the Duck has engines better than lawnmower.
Slinging HEAT would also be quite good.

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been waiting for this and the other ju88p variants for a very long time

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Tanks will hate this plane

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I dont know why Gaijin instead of add cool and unique planes like this in BP add another copy paste Spitfire.

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Because it would be a Tier III vehicle not Tier IV and it would involve putting effort in adding unique variant of an existing vehicle possibly re-working the existing Ju-88’s. We all know Gaijin is extremely allergic to that

If possible, I would like to see the Ju-88P with different selectable configurations. Having only 1 variant with a big cannon and low ammunition can be difficult especially for stock gameplay and if the gun is hard to aim (like on PBJ-25H or the P.108A). And the ammo count of 11 rounds is also a bit small, so if there’s a lot of projectile dispersion getting kills could prove difficult with the big cannon.
This is why on Hs.129 the 30mm autocannon is usually preferred to the 37mm.

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+1

so we could have a flying BT-5, flying Sherman, flying Panzer IV F-2, flying Ha-Go, flying Valentine IX and finally… A flying tiger I

Would it get access to all rounds the Tiger E has? Bc 136mm pen APHE on a Ju88 would cause some…chaos if the Me210Ca1 36M proves anything

Same ammo? Yes. But with a way slower velocity which naturally has a big impact on penetration.

Pzgr.
Tiger E: 810 m/s
Ju 88 p-5: 500 m/s
The heat shell will have 110mm of pen regardless

I would say that the me210 is boosted by its high RPM for the 40mm, witch the ju88 don’t have (15rpm vs 120rpm). The ammo capacity is also lower (11 vs 44).

also, one is a bomber, the other a decently maneuverable interceptor, they are not comparable in any way

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Running that through the Jacob De Marre formula, it’s 78mm of pen. It will play more like a chunkier T18B2 I guess. +1 btw

I suppose the main stay will be the Gr.39 HL, due to better velocity and 110mm penetration.

intresting! I do not see many aircraft armed with HEAT rounds in WT.