Japanese type 87 RCV (P) unusable in current balance due to very weak modeled 20mm HVAP

i still remember the time a M18 killed my IS-4M with a shot that ricocheted in the ground and somehow got redirectionated to my 30mm low side armor.

STARES IN T-10M AND Object 279

Russia has a heavy tank for any situation, and BR

heavy tanks are still a lot less common at 8.7 than at 7.7, plus even the ones that do exist have a bad habit of dying a lot quicker at higher BRs

yet somehow most of them have the equivalent armor of a heavy tank.
i have been using BTR-82AT (which is a good tank but honestly deserves a remodel) and even with APDS it’s somehow hard to kill anything that isn’t a Leopard A1A1/1A5 or light tank.

and talking about BTR-82AT, it seriously needs a remodel, u can’t aim backwards due to a tiny cable or whatever that thing is that doesn’t allow u to point down, it feels like playing a NATO toptier tank and their non-existant depression when aiming over the engine.

whenever I play autocannon tanks I tend to aim to maim my enemy rather than kill them tbh, take out some essential parts and maybe kill a few crew then run away and move onto the next target before anyone notices you (also it means youre much less likely to get hunted for revenge by a tank or plane cause they didnt see you on the killcam)

isnt it a gun rest to not wear out the stabiliser when moving at high speeds while not in combat or something?

when i play BTR-82AT i just sit behind a hill and start packing punches to anything that moves with the super OP ATGM, and when i’m flanking or an enemy passes nearby they eat 30mm APDS for lunch.

1 Like
  1. no
  2. i hate u now i will open WT again when i already closed it
  3. lemme show u

wow its just mean how far gaijin makes your gun stay away from the wire lmao

here u have (ignore the sight, i have specific likings ):c)

btw and curiously, the stabilizer of the BTR-82AT can’t stabilize the gun at high speeds (over 70km/h iirc).

i believe most stabilisers in game start failing around 70-75kmh

again you saying things that tells us you never touched these vehicles is telling.

dm63 for the 20mm isnt good, it struggles against pretty much all ifvs around the 8.0 br area, and it doesnt get better at any other tier either.

also sure it can pen the side, so can 50cals, its almost like these vehicles were designed to have paper thin armour on the side because they were never expected to get flanked in the first place and if they were, there was bigger problems at hands.

skill issue, its very servicable
my main experience with the 20mm is from the xm800t and r3 t20 (which doesnt even get the apds) and sure the xm800t is a lot better in the mobility department than the type 87 rcv p which allows you to be better at getting those side shots, but regardless in the xm800t you can still kill like more than half the vehicles you come across probably closer to 60-70% even, and in the r3 you can probably kill like 30-40% (and thats at 6.0 with a lot heavier tanks being more common)

not really? you cant pen the side of a leopard very reliably with a .50 cal, but you can do it extremely reliably with 20mm dm63, same for the of-40, vickers, chieftain, type 74s, amx 30s etc

plus dm63 does more damage, and has more angle pen than a .50 cal

assuming no other losses i would always rather be armed with a 20mm than a .50 cal

My question for Gaijin is: why is the Luchs A2 a lower BR at 7.3 despite being better in almost every single measurable metric than the BR 7.7 RCV (P)? The Luchs has better armor, better mobility, and better optics, while also having the exact same 20 mm Rh202 cannon with the exact same DM63 belts. There are some other very minor differences, like the RCV (P) has a stabilizer while the Luchs doesn’t, but the gun handling is 60 deg/s so that hardly makes a difference. But the Luchs also carries more ammo and has 2.5x larger belts, so greater damage output with less reloading. The Luchs is amphibious and the RCV (P) isn’t; the RCV (P) has commander fire control, but the commander is basically hugging the gunner so the chance that’s useful is minuscule; the RCV (P) is 10kph faster forwards but 80kph slower in reverse.

Basically, I can see zero reason why these aren’t the same BR.

1 Like