You can make all sorts of arguments following that line of thinking, such as German tanks not having enough fuel, for example, or having all vehicles having a certain chance of breaking down. But as WT is a game at its core, I don’t think there’s any need for such mechanics. If it were to be put in the game, it would probably be the same scenario as the Swedish one, fully operational with an allied camo.
(Plus, there’s also the other Tiger II that was captured fully operational if the issue of the one in the video not being fully operable is an actual implementation issue).
That said it’s probably best to get on the Me 210 topic again and leave the tanks for the ground suggestion topics
How funny that guy who never tried to understand the problems of Japanese aviation TT says that they don’t need attacker plane when the only attacker plane is Ki-109 on which you can’t do quests or challenges for BP
“But you have dive bombers”
Thanks for the additional information. And with this Me 410, I didn’t mean the historical Me 410, but the one in the game that does not have a 1000 kg bomb
1: I’m something of TT purist myself, but premium does not count. If C-P is implemented as researchable then Yes, but premium works different, It not take away uniqueness of tree, as it is not forced
2: if you meet Me.210 in game, what is difference if this particular one is german, japanese or hungarian? If fly the same, shoot the same and bomb the same
From point of view of militarny that will use them, they are same. Both need to be tested, evaluated by pilots and develop for then new network of supply and parts.
Also part about finish of development cycle is untrue. After initial design was finished, engineers start work on improvements and fixes, creating multiple variants, with
export versions posesing whole other sets of modification.
My point is that you are telling Bee that she should start making honey. As he already told you, he posted 40 aircrafts, nearly all native.
And please enlight me, what indigenous aircraft he should add? ( “He should know” and “Some” does not count, I demand full name, otherwise your argument doesn’t hold water)
Your argumentation line must be very weak if you changed your point 180° from “Jap CAS if fine with just bombers” to “Jap CAS suffer so any new attacker can’t be premium because its too important to have one in TT”
And most important thing. If we have in game only machines and weapons that are really used, your precious US, Germany and USSR TT would be at max 2/3 their size and for example Germany would lost half of their Air-Air missiles
Bad take. It absolutely does. If I can pick and choose what vehicles I would want from foreign tech trees, even if I have to purchase them as premiums, I wouldn’t have bothered grinding out substantial portions of the German and Japanese TTs.
No. It is a relatively proven design actively being used by a friendly power. Is it new to them? Yes, and those supply lines will need to be set up, but it is in no way comparable to what an actual prototype would require, which is comparatively unproved, and lacks a foreign company actively having supply lines and factories for production. They are not the same, and saying they are is disingenuous at best.
Yes, development continues to a certain extent after the aircraft is accepted into service. The point is, that the aircraft reached the point where it was accepted into service.
I don’t know. All I know is that Japan has a bunch of suggestions advocating for copy paste for no good reason, and that I find highly unlikely that all possible options have been exhausted.
No, I’m pointing out that if Japan does have an issue with a lack of attacker aircraft, then providing a solution behind a paywall won’t fix the issue as not everyone would be able to get it. I also didn’t believe the lack of attacker aircraft is a big issue because, in my experience, big, twin engine strike aircraaft aren’t particularly useful in ground RB, with single engine craft being far more effective, at which point the difference between a single engine strike aircraft and a dive bomber is largely to do with if it was intended to be launched off of a carrier or an airstrip.
Again, mischaracterization. I said that foreign aircraft should only be allowed into the TT in ANY regard if they were actually put into service, and before you try to make me out to be a hypocrite, no, I do not like the captured or evaluated vehicles in ANY of the trees that were not put into service, premium or no. The only way I can think of it being ok would be if the nation that the evaluated vehicle originates from is not currently in game which practically makes it no different from the US Merkavas which were added before the Israeli TT.
“Why bother playing the entire variety of German aircraft for free if I can just pay real money to get one Me-210.”
A single aircraft is not equivalent to the entire German tree, it’s a nice change of pace for a Japanese lineup, it’s a fun camo to fly around, but in no way does it take away from the German tree.
I’d agree if you were arguing about Germany getting it too, but weirdly enough you are less concerned about fairness, and more concerned about what you don’t want others to enjoy.
If it’s a premium you don’t like, why care if you can instead just save yourself the money? Just allow others to enjoy it if they want, you don’t have to play it.
It’s the principal of the matter. If nations could get foreign aircraft simply because they owned at one point, regardless of if they put it into service or not, then you run the issue of huge portions of the axis trees becoming irrelevant as an American or Russian player could just purchase the vehicles they like and never touch those trees. I, for one, would never have bothered grinding out the German tech tree if I could have just purchased the Tigers. While the ME-210 is a lesser form of what happens with those ‘big ticket’, it still causes a similar effect, and I don’t see the point in advocating for using the smaller drill to poke holes into the ship simply because it’s smaller. It would be better off to stop drilling holes in the first place. And, as for if I think if Germany should get it, I think only nations that put the ME-210 in service should get it, which Japan did not, and that it would be absurd for the Japan devs to put in the resources into implementing the ME-210, when those resources would be better off in expanding the later tiers, which are so far barren.
Moreover, if you want to take a change of pace from the Japanese TT, the solution should trying out different tech trees, not advocating for more copy paste.
The game only considers one aircraft to be a strike aircraft, but more practically it’s at least 10 as dive bombers fill the same practical role in ground RB, many of which are at about the BR a ME-210 would probably be at, and from what I understand, there are about 3 additional fighter aircraft that can also fulfill that role. Regardless, Japan’s issue of a lack of strike aircraft would, in no way, be solved or allieviated by paygating a strike aircraft, especially one that is copy paste unless you want to argue that the Japan devs should put in resources into a foreign plane who’s inclusion into the TT is a stretch at best.
Whatever you call it, Gaijin itself encourages me to write about planes captured/purchased for Japan. 2 years ago he promised to strengthen the Japanese CAS and, for now, he has added a fictitious F-16AJ aircraft and an F-5E division vehicle. The Japanese have many CAS aircraft, but they are not added…
If they do not want to add the domestic CAS option, then you need to add the foreign CAS option. That’s why I proposed foreign CAS planes for Japan and that doesn’t mean I won’t propose more Japanese CAS planes.
They fulfill the role sure, but if you have some kinda battlepass challenge or daily task that REQUIRES a “strike aircraft” to be used, all those dive bombers are just unusable.
I agree with your premise, but this would be more relevant for a tree that actually has aircraft that perform the same role. Japan doesn’t, and I also don’t see a fixed Ki-102 with its ground strike equipment fulfilling that, since it’s also stuck down at rank 2 (and 3.3, despite the Me 410 at 3.3 being rank 3…).
Sure it’s not ideal, but it was a plane they evaluated and influenced their future designs. Y’know, unlike some other stuff that was added on the basis of them looking at it once.
+1, I guess it is a fine addition as a premium strike aircraft for Japan.
Regarding its bombload, it is not that different from me 410 a-1 (as well as its fixed arnament), so the plane will work out in both ARB and GRB.
Besides, I think it can also become a bp vehicle as a “free” air reward (we literally have had P-51s for China and Sweden as such, especially the later one which was not used in service but evaluated according to WT wiki). That way it will be accessible for common people but might be inconvenient for those who haven’t played during bp. Being similar to the me 410 a-1 in both fixed and bomb arnament, it will fulfill the role of a dedicated strike aircraft at 3.0-3.3 at rank III. Moreover, premium status will make such plane a little more profitable than other ones and, at rank III, Japan may finally have strike aircraft for bp/event tasks. And, well, simply having a somewhat better CAS option for 3.0.-3.7 than we have rn is something that makes it a far more appealing “C&P”
I personally cannot see either the Ki-115 & Kikka (E) being added since they are in an unenviable position where they not only lack a gun but also their bombload isn’t large enough to destroy a base or have multiple bombs to drop to make up for that like with the M6A1-K
Also i’m surprised that list didn’t mentioned the Ki-71, Ki-46 IIIb and/or Ki-102 Ko
That is true though it can still carry a bomb load in the form of 2x 250kg bombs and it has the same 37mm cannon that the Ki-108 Kai has. That wouldn’t be of note except for the fact that it has a Practice belt that can pen of 51mm point blank flat
In other words the Ki-102 ko can do a Ground Attack role in a pinch
Ki-46-IIIb only 2 x 20 mm
Also true, i mentioned that specific variant of the Ki-46 III since it was intended for ground attack role, though the only secondary armaments that we know of that the Ki-46 IIIb used is a anti-infantry bomb
Yes, this list is a bit incomplete.
I am also aware of that it’s just in terms of choices there isn’t a lot to choose from assuming if we don’t bend the rules a bit. It depends if the S-2F Tracker is classified as a Bomber or a Strike Aircraft for example
And a premium ME-210 would be unlikely to solve that either. The plane has infamously poor performance, so it’s unlikely to be at Rank 3 as the first 410s are first seen at Rank 2, and that aircraft is supposed to be it’s successor. Unless it’s an event vehicle, it won’t contribute to challanges or daily tasks as, last I checked, you need either rank 3 aircraft to complete those or an event vehicle.
Eh, I feel a better solution would be to make dive bombers count as strike aircraft. They have much more in common with strike craft then they do the bomber category, so the change would make much more sense and help Japan more overall. And, for the record, I also REALLY don’t like the Swedish MI-28.
I don’t think that gaijin agrees since craft like the IL-2 (1942), P-47D, P-47D-16-RE, Tempest Mk V, etc…are neutered, missing equipment such as bombs, rockets, weapons, or high octane fuel
Germany definitely should not get one since we have the Me 410
I think that gaijin just despises the entire Axis side:
(1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14)
Wouldn’t it be better than that? Except for the DB 601 F, Werk Nr. 2350 was brought up to Me 410 standards
