Japanese Messerschmitt Me 210 A-1 W.Nr.2102350

[HolmanTheHorror]

@TT33a

Wouldn’t it be better than that? Except for the DB 601 F, Werk Nr. 2350 was brought up to Me 410 standards

I don’t think so? I’ll admit, I’m not an expert on German aircraft, but from what I understand the plane’s main claim to fame is being one of the worst aircraft of the war. Maybe later variants improved on this, but the one the Japanese got was the A-1 variant, which was one of the earliest variants, so it’s unlikely that they got one that was ‘fixed’, otherwise it would be a later variant.

@TT33a

Germany definitely should not get one since we have the Me 410

I find it silly to say that Germany should not get a German aircraft. Germany should get the ME-210 because it is a German plane, and that is reason enough for them to get it.

@Grzegames

Whatever you call it, Gaijin itself encourages me to write about planes captured/purchased for Japan. 2 years ago he promised to strengthen the Japanese CAS and, for now, he has added a fictitious F-16AJ aircraft and an F-5E division vehicle. The Japanese have many CAS aircraft, but they are not added…

If they do not want to add the domestic CAS option, then you need to add the foreign CAS option. That’s why I proposed foreign CAS planes for Japan and that doesn’t mean I won’t propose more Japanese CAS planes.

I don’t understand the point your trying to make here. First of all, I want the domestic stuff to be added. It’s what gives trees their flavor and why I don’t like all this copy paste stuff in the game. If the issue is premiums, it would be better to have a premium minor variant or based on a specific plane. Secondly, the question never was could a ME-210 be added, there is plenty of precedent for it, it was if it was a good idea and, to be blunt, it is not, especially as it would require the Japan devs to invest resources that would be better suited in implementing an indigenous design. Thirdly, I do not like the Japanese F-16, and I would rather it not be added. The F-5E is fine, as it is not a Japanese vehicle, rather a Thai vehicle being put into the Japanese tech tree, and the two nations did, to my understanding, have friendly relations during WW2.

(responding late because I didn’t get a notification from your reply)

[TT33a]

@HolmanTheHorror

but the one the Japanese got was the A-1 variant, which was one of the earliest variants, so it’s unlikely that they got one that was ‘fixed’

It says A-2 Nr. 2350 in the book excerpt that I posted above. Here it is again:

@HolmanTheHorror

Germany should get the ME-210 because it is a German plane, and that is reason enough for them to get it

For Hungary & Japan, yes. For the Germans, there is no reason for them to receive a 210 as the 410 superseded it. There is no need for an unnecessary intermediate configuration when the standard established design was the 410

[Grzegames]

This version is a bit confusing. Some sources say it was the A-2 version, others say the long version of the A-1, and others say it was the V22 prototype. This does not change the fact that this is not a failed short version of A-1 or A-0.
Yes, there were two versions of the A-1. Short and long

[HolmanTheHorror]

@TT33a

For Hungary & Japan, yes. For the Germans, there is no reason for them to receive a 210 as the 410 superseded it. There is no need for an unnecessary intermediate configuration when the standard established design was the 410

That isn’t a good enough of a reason why Germany shouldn’t get a (relatively) major aircraft into their tech tree when Hungary would hypothetically be receiving it, and it goes to an especially if Japan were to get it in any regard.

[Uncle_J_Wick]

I do not understand those discussions - if there is a demand for a JP Me 210 upgraded to 410 specifications, gaijin will be happy to create another premium or event vehicle for the JP TT.

Therefore +1

In addition i would like to see the Hungarian 210 Ca 1 with the 40 mm Borfors autocannon modification. The workload for gaijin to adjust the 3D model of the 410 looks rather limited. Same as changing 50mm BK 5 installation to the Bofors. Only real challenge is to use the DB 605B for the Hungarian version and the DB 601F for the JP version. So 2 planes for one…

Regarding a German version of the 210: Imho just a 410 with weaker engines (1475 hp vs 1750) - the Me 210 Ca-1 should be therefore slightly lower in its BR than the standard light bomber 410 A-1. That makes 3 planes.

@Grzegames

I would have to check, but the best would be a combination of Japanese and German bombs.

Have in mind that gaijin follows no logic regarding domestic or foreign payloads. The German Il-2s never saw combat, but uses USSR payloads; the German P-47 and the US 109 F-4 have no payloads and basically all other captured / stolen aircraft use payloads from the original country.

Imho requesting a mix of GER and JP bombs is too much intellectual effort for gaijin…

[TT33a]

@HolmanTheHorror

210 Germany (relatively) major aircraft into tree

It was not. The 410 was. That is the point

[HolmanTheHorror]

@TT33a

It was not. The 410 was. That is the point

The 410 was a major iteration upon the 210. The 210 is the precursor to the 410 and was the aircraft originally intended to replace the 110. So, yeah, I would consider it major enough that it would be weird if somehow Japan of all nations got it but Germany did not.

[Grzegames]

actually the Me 410 is the Me 210 with different engines. The Germans changed the name because the pilots did not trust the Me 210. Already in the late version of the Me 210 A-1, the main problems of the aircraft were fixed. But this plane was not very popular among units due to the large number of accidents. Therefore, it was decided to use new engines and change the name to Me 410, because it was a needed aircraft that could not be replaced by others.