It’s the principal of the matter. If nations could get foreign aircraft simply because they owned at one point, regardless of if they put it into service or not, then you run the issue of huge portions of the axis trees becoming irrelevant as an American or Russian player could just purchase the vehicles they like and never touch those trees. I, for one, would never have bothered grinding out the German tech tree if I could have just purchased the Tigers. While the ME-210 is a lesser form of what happens with those ‘big ticket’, it still causes a similar effect, and I don’t see the point in advocating for using the smaller drill to poke holes into the ship simply because it’s smaller. It would be better off to stop drilling holes in the first place. And, as for if I think if Germany should get it, I think only nations that put the ME-210 in service should get it, which Japan did not, and that it would be absurd for the Japan devs to put in the resources into implementing the ME-210, when those resources would be better off in expanding the later tiers, which are so far barren.
Moreover, if you want to take a change of pace from the Japanese TT, the solution should trying out different tech trees, not advocating for more copy paste.
The game only considers one aircraft to be a strike aircraft, but more practically it’s at least 10 as dive bombers fill the same practical role in ground RB, many of which are at about the BR a ME-210 would probably be at, and from what I understand, there are about 3 additional fighter aircraft that can also fulfill that role. Regardless, Japan’s issue of a lack of strike aircraft would, in no way, be solved or allieviated by paygating a strike aircraft, especially one that is copy paste unless you want to argue that the Japan devs should put in resources into a foreign plane who’s inclusion into the TT is a stretch at best.
Whatever you call it, Gaijin itself encourages me to write about planes captured/purchased for Japan. 2 years ago he promised to strengthen the Japanese CAS and, for now, he has added a fictitious F-16AJ aircraft and an F-5E division vehicle. The Japanese have many CAS aircraft, but they are not added…
If they do not want to add the domestic CAS option, then you need to add the foreign CAS option. That’s why I proposed foreign CAS planes for Japan and that doesn’t mean I won’t propose more Japanese CAS planes.
They fulfill the role sure, but if you have some kinda battlepass challenge or daily task that REQUIRES a “strike aircraft” to be used, all those dive bombers are just unusable.
I agree with your premise, but this would be more relevant for a tree that actually has aircraft that perform the same role. Japan doesn’t, and I also don’t see a fixed Ki-102 with its ground strike equipment fulfilling that, since it’s also stuck down at rank 2 (and 3.3, despite the Me 410 at 3.3 being rank 3…).
Sure it’s not ideal, but it was a plane they evaluated and influenced their future designs. Y’know, unlike some other stuff that was added on the basis of them looking at it once.
+1, I guess it is a fine addition as a premium strike aircraft for Japan.
Regarding its bombload, it is not that different from me 410 a-1 (as well as its fixed arnament), so the plane will work out in both ARB and GRB.
Besides, I think it can also become a bp vehicle as a “free” air reward (we literally have had P-51s for China and Sweden as such, especially the later one which was not used in service but evaluated according to WT wiki). That way it will be accessible for common people but might be inconvenient for those who haven’t played during bp. Being similar to the me 410 a-1 in both fixed and bomb arnament, it will fulfill the role of a dedicated strike aircraft at 3.0-3.3 at rank III. Moreover, premium status will make such plane a little more profitable than other ones and, at rank III, Japan may finally have strike aircraft for bp/event tasks. And, well, simply having a somewhat better CAS option for 3.0.-3.7 than we have rn is something that makes it a far more appealing “C&P”
I personally cannot see either the Ki-115 & Kikka (E) being added since they are in an unenviable position where they not only lack a gun but also their bombload isn’t large enough to destroy a base or have multiple bombs to drop to make up for that like with the M6A1-K
Also i’m surprised that list didn’t mentioned the Ki-71, Ki-46 IIIb and/or Ki-102 Ko
That is true though it can still carry a bomb load in the form of 2x 250kg bombs and it has the same 37mm cannon that the Ki-108 Kai has. That wouldn’t be of note except for the fact that it has a Practice belt that can pen of 51mm point blank flat
In other words the Ki-102 ko can do a Ground Attack role in a pinch
Ki-46-IIIb only 2 x 20 mm
Also true, i mentioned that specific variant of the Ki-46 III since it was intended for ground attack role, though the only secondary armaments that we know of that the Ki-46 IIIb used is a anti-infantry bomb
Yes, this list is a bit incomplete.
I am also aware of that it’s just in terms of choices there isn’t a lot to choose from assuming if we don’t bend the rules a bit. It depends if the S-2F Tracker is classified as a Bomber or a Strike Aircraft for example
And a premium ME-210 would be unlikely to solve that either. The plane has infamously poor performance, so it’s unlikely to be at Rank 3 as the first 410s are first seen at Rank 2, and that aircraft is supposed to be it’s successor. Unless it’s an event vehicle, it won’t contribute to challanges or daily tasks as, last I checked, you need either rank 3 aircraft to complete those or an event vehicle.
Eh, I feel a better solution would be to make dive bombers count as strike aircraft. They have much more in common with strike craft then they do the bomber category, so the change would make much more sense and help Japan more overall. And, for the record, I also REALLY don’t like the Swedish MI-28.
I don’t think that gaijin agrees since craft like the IL-2 (1942), P-47D, P-47D-16-RE, Tempest Mk V, etc…are neutered, missing equipment such as bombs, rockets, weapons, or high octane fuel
Germany definitely should not get one since we have the Me 410
I think that gaijin just despises the entire Axis side:
(1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14)
Wouldn’t it be better than that? Except for the DB 601 F, Werk Nr. 2350 was brought up to Me 410 standards
I don’t think so? I’ll admit, I’m not an expert on German aircraft, but from what I understand the plane’s main claim to fame is being one of the worst aircraft of the war. Maybe later variants improved on this, but the one the Japanese got was the A-1 variant, which was one of the earliest variants, so it’s unlikely that they got one that was ‘fixed’, otherwise it would be a later variant.
I find it silly to say that Germany should not get a German aircraft. Germany should get the ME-210 because it is a German plane, and that is reason enough for them to get it.
I don’t understand the point your trying to make here. First of all, I want the domestic stuff to be added. It’s what gives trees their flavor and why I don’t like all this copy paste stuff in the game. If the issue is premiums, it would be better to have a premium minor variant or based on a specific plane. Secondly, the question never was could a ME-210 be added, there is plenty of precedent for it, it was if it was a good idea and, to be blunt, it is not, especially as it would require the Japan devs to invest resources that would be better suited in implementing an indigenous design. Thirdly, I do not like the Japanese F-16, and I would rather it not be added. The F-5E is fine, as it is not a Japanese vehicle, rather a Thai vehicle being put into the Japanese tech tree, and the two nations did, to my understanding, have friendly relations during WW2.
(responding late because I didn’t get a notification from your reply)
It says A-2 Nr. 2350 in the book excerpt that I posted above. Here it is again:
For Hungary & Japan, yes. For the Germans, there is no reason for them to receive a 210 as the 410 superseded it. There is no need for an unnecessary intermediate configuration when the standard established design was the 410
This version is a bit confusing. Some sources say it was the A-2 version, others say the long version of the A-1, and others say it was the V22 prototype. This does not change the fact that this is not a failed short version of A-1 or A-0.
Yes, there were two versions of the A-1. Short and long
That isn’t a good enough of a reason why Germany shouldn’t get a (relatively) major aircraft into their tech tree when Hungary would hypothetically be receiving it, and it goes to an especially if Japan were to get it in any regard.
I do not understand those discussions - if there is a demand for a JP Me 210 upgraded to 410 specifications, gaijin will be happy to create another premium or event vehicle for the JP TT.
Therefore +1
In addition i would like to see the Hungarian 210 Ca 1 with the 40 mm Borfors autocannon modification. The workload for gaijin to adjust the 3D model of the 410 looks rather limited. Same as changing 50mm BK 5 installation to the Bofors. Only real challenge is to use the DB 605B for the Hungarian version and the DB 601F for the JP version. So 2 planes for one…
Regarding a German version of the 210: Imho just a 410 with weaker engines (1475 hp vs 1750) - the Me 210 Ca-1 should be therefore slightly lower in its BR than the standard light bomber 410 A-1. That makes 3 planes.
Have in mind that gaijin follows no logic regarding domestic or foreign payloads. The German Il-2s never saw combat, but uses USSR payloads; the German P-47 and the US 109 F-4 have no payloads and basically all other captured / stolen aircraft use payloads from the original country.
Imho requesting a mix of GER and JP bombs is too much intellectual effort for gaijin…
The 410 was a major iteration upon the 210. The 210 is the precursor to the 410 and was the aircraft originally intended to replace the 110. So, yeah, I would consider it major enough that it would be weird if somehow Japan of all nations got it but Germany did not.
actually the Me 410 is the Me 210 with different engines. The Germans changed the name because the pilots did not trust the Me 210. Already in the late version of the Me 210 A-1, the main problems of the aircraft were fixed. But this plane was not very popular among units due to the large number of accidents. Therefore, it was decided to use new engines and change the name to Me 410, because it was a needed aircraft that could not be replaced by others.
