If you can’t see anything how do you win the situation? cause you’re not gonna be fighting at the range the entire time, you’re eventually going to close the distance and if you’re being smoked, you can’t do anything. So all I’m doing is forcing you to figure out where I’m firing from.
I never said at distance.
But only someone that is actually insane pushes through smokes that they know there are enemy tanks on the other side.
You can go in reverse, or turn around but if I’m smoking you, you’re pretty much A gonna die or B forced to do so which will lead to you dying. There is no play in this.
The Chi-Nu is none of these.
The Chi-Nu is a medium tank, which are not “support units”. As has already been said, this is merely a vague subjective euphemism for “bad”.
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Retreat and go to another position?
That’s the counter play, now you don’t know where I am, and can’t smoke me.
“Designing an entirely new tank required too much time and the Japanese needed a better medium tank as fast as possible, so the Type 3 Chi-Nu was developed as a stopgap.” Another thing is that the Type-3 would have been issued to mobile shock troops. So it most certainly would be utilized in a support role. With infantry first. It’s an earlier doctrine the Japanese used in China. Where tanks supported the infantry not the other way around.
The Medium that came later ->Chi-To and Chi-Ri.
Again, doctrine/intent/etc is entirely irrelevant to WT. The only thing that matter in WT is raw technical traits.
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What you’ve actually listed here are two snipers and two flankers. In the most general sense, they “support” the team, but their advantages allow them to work well in specific roles without the requirement of having distracted enemies to come gank. They stand on on their own.
If you’re entire gameplan with the Chi-Nu is just to follow your team around and push enemies on reload, ultimately that’s a role any tank can fill, and better than the Chi-Nu can. There’s nothing special about the Chi-Nu that allows it to fill this role any better than something with actual advantages like armor or speed.
I’m trying to determine a situation where a 9m smoke cloud is insufficient but a 13m is, and I’m drawing a blank. Smoke is already a pretty niche utility, finding areas where multiple tanks are slightly but not massively spread out is even more niche.
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Again, I fail to see how WT is a raw trait. Especially if a lot of these tanks cannot perform in a tank on a tank engagement. You haven’t provided anything to prove this and given that the M24, M41, and Puma still have their scouting ability. Makes me think the opposite.
…you fail to see how War Thunder is a raw trait? What?
And why do you keep bringing light tanks into this? This main topic here is a medium tank compared to other medium tanks.
If War Thunder was just solely Tank versus tank combat. Some support vehicles such as the light tanks would not have been given the scouting ability and a lot of them still have it. So i beg a differ.
How not? Scouting gives the position of an enemy tank to your team, helping your team in tank v tank combat.
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But that’s a support thing. So why is it needed if this is about raw strength/traits?
I cannot tell if you’re actually not understanding or are arguing in bad faith. Stop shifting the goalposts.
Real life intent/doctrine is what’s irrelevant to WT.
The Chi-Nu is classified as a medium tank in WT, thus it is to be directly compared with and fill the same role as other medium tanks. It’s that simple.
There’s no “brawler” and “support” objectively coded into the game, certainly not within a class of vehicle.
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Let’s see you 2 are stuck in a pickle. You cannot argue and make good claims so you decided to try to change the narrative.
Light vehicles are support vehicles, they perform this role in real life and games. Several types can scout enemy vehicles. If this game was a pure raw strengths “Traits” as you said. Then scouting would not be in the game, cause raw strength implies the player being able to see the target from a distance. Scouting just makes this easier by using less of your “Raw traits”.
I can argue as much as you want but don’t expect anything on a sophisticated level. But all you have to do is disengage. Won’t insult, as i am remaining as civil as an annoyed person can be.
It does not. Your misunderstanding of the original statement is not basis for a rebuttal.
Now that this has been cleared up, please move on to something that was actually said, or we’re all wasting our time.
Once again, the Chi-Nu is a medium tank, to be compared to other medium tanks. This is the topic.
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Your original statement consisted of trivial claims. So you still haven’t made a good argument. To prove any point I stated. Nor did you consider that some medium tanks are designed to be support vehicles. However i agree its a waste of time, one i have plenty of.
Okay what…
How the heck is the Strv m/42 EH sad, that thing is wonderful. ~260g of filler in your '75 is awesome.
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They are not. Your personal subjective playstyle definitions have no relevance here.
A medium tank “designed for support” is nothing more than code for “a bad medium tank”. This has already been covered.
You still haven’t provided anything to back your claim. Still waiting to see the documentation that backs the claim that the Chi-Nu was designed to be a dedicated Medium Tank and not a medium tank designed to fulfill the support role.