It was originally because at 5.7, it was able to compete. However, they started moving vehicles down that weren’t there before, but never moved nor buffed, nor anything to the Japanese tree entirely.
The tree itself has not seen any new tanks in a long ass time. Though one of their mods will point out the Cold War tanks. Which is not an excuse. Cause yes, while correct that they did get some copy-paste vehicles, none are from the Second World War. So it’s a statement that, by default, if I see it, is hogwater.
Also, if a mod sees this, the Thai Tree is not an excuse either. As that only supplements the Cold War part of the tree.
I understand not liking American tanks in the Japanese tree, but ST-A, Type 60, Type 75, Type 61, SUB-II are 100% Japanese vehicles like Chi-Ri, Chi-Ha etc.
Additionally, some Japanese tanks manufactured in the US assisted in the Battle of Godzilla. The photo shows an M24 moving into a defensive position in Tokyo 1954.
now if the change was just an increase in ammo first stage plus nerf to rof that would be fine, after all the those are a fair trade.
so you get increase first stage ammo but a noticeable rof nerf (the m4 sherman rof is 6.3s with max reload skill, almost max commander skill and expert crew skill), one more crew member that will help 30% of the time, if you dont get ammo racked, which will be often, because ammo is stored literally everywhere, and a slight pen buff on your shitty 37, which is only used to bait people. and moved to 5.7 where your gun went from below average, to worst in slot. seeing that while the m4 stats are the same, is smaller, has a better acceleration, better armour, a 50cal, a short stab, apcr (while not good is still usable against flat armour) and isnt the size of an amazon warehouse.
this is all around a massive gutting for the chi-ri and anyone who is defending it just hates japan and the funny thing is, the chi-ri wasnt that good to begin with, it was already one of the worst 5.0 for mediums, like you cant even say the auto loader made it good because the delat torn exists, its at the same br, has the same limited 3 round capacity but is better in literally every way. and that thing isnt even considered broken. this is a plain old nerf, likely because the devs wanted to bring japan down a notch and couldnt touch 6.7 or 7.3 the only other good lineups of japan.
Question not so easy. On paper yes rof was decreased but because of autoloader replenishment speed taked like ~25-30 seconds for first round and 20 seconds for second, there was situation that you never see full autoloader (which is not even autoloader bur historically but semiloader) after battle starts if you not sitting somewhere more than 1 minute real rof of Chi-Ri was 13 seconds, now it is 4.8s with experts
Chi-Ri has 1.5s faster reload speed
Yes and this one is really good especially noting the tank size
It is stored in turret and then start storting on the floor, that side racks is stored only if you take more than 40 or 60(?) rounds
Useless ammo at any situation
I only said here why its br was increased and claims like this is just absurd. As for example here was talks that depression of main gun was decreased but it is not and all I want is clean some confuses and misunderstanding which can appear
Yes because most of the time you never saw autoloader but now will start to see
Not really. Previously Chi-Ri was a tank because of which 4.7 luneup was needed to be forced up to 5.0 if place Chi-Ri in lineup but now it is increasing capabilities of 5.7 lineup. Only question is Chi-Ri should be on 5.3 or 5.7
I’d like to point out that in 5.7, the Chi-Ri is a cardboard tank the size of a Tiger II. The Chi-Ri has armor like 3.7 tanks (including the KV-1, after which its armor was modeled), and in 5.7, even lightly armored tanks are often better armored. The Japanese M4 has ~90mm of effective frontal armor, while the Chi-Ri only has less than 80mm. You can’t even angle the Chi-Ri because of the 50mm plates on the sides of the frontal plate.
The Chi-Ri’s turret armor is also a flat 75mm plate. Now with a four-man crew and 18 rounds, almost any penetration results in either the death of all turret crew members or an ammunition explosion.
The Chi-Ri’s penetration at 5.7 will be mediocre, and you’ll still need excellent skill and a lot of luck to destroy some vehicles (mainly Panthers, but also Jumbos and, less frequently, T-34s, not to mention the higher tiers). It’s supposedly automatic now, but all it takes (which often happens to me) is one missed shot, and the enemy’s response is a quick death. Sure, you can use the Chi-Ri as a sniper from afar, but you have the M36 with a much better gun.
I won’t comment on mobility, as I have no way to verify it at the moment compared to other 5.7 vehicles (I’m at work and don’t have access to a computer, and the new wiki doesn’t work well on my phone).
I know about low armor of Chi-Ri but it is not surprising theme. Chi-Ri will be placed on 5.7 not because of its armor or survive ability but because of reload
About ammo in turret - yeah it is true but about crew would like to note that here is no differences. If you get 4 crews destroyed and be with only 2 - it won’t be different from old situation where 3 crews on turret killed and tank be with 2. But with 6th crew member here is bigger chance to has 3 guys alive and one of them will be loader what is pretty good
It is better than like Tiger but most of medium tanks is faster than Chi-Ri
But seriously, won’t the Chi-Ri now become one of the weakest medium tanks in the 5.3-6.0 br? I think they’ll all be better. Even the M51 at tier 6.0 seems like a better vehicle.
Besides the automatic, it doesn’t have any advantages over other medium tanks at this tier. Additionally, this automatic isn’t particularly fast, since almost all tanks of this caliber have a reload time of around 6-10 seconds, while yours will be 3.3 or 4.5 seconds (I don’t remember exactly).
Well it was weakest on previous 5.0 thanks to real 13 seconds of reload so nothing will change but I really think that gameplay will become a little bit more comfort thanks to 4.5-4.8s of reload
Would like to write about what issue with current RoF of Chi-Ri I am talking about
Here is numbers of reloads with full upgraded crew + experts (w/o experts or worse crew numbers will be higher)
doing 3 shots
~10.5s for load 1 round into the gun
~5s of loader AFK
~15s for filling 1 round into first rack
Another ~15s for filling 2nd round
In total we get around 45s for feeding autoloader from empty to full which is very long time. And another issue is that if you shoot for example after 10-13s after reloading (what means ~25s after previous shots) loader will forget that he tried to fill autoloader and your progress will be dropped what means that all autoloader can be filled in being AFK for 45s and real RoF will be >10s because in battle you can meet enemies more often than every 25s
It is why 18 rounds with 4.5 seconds is much better as for me but of course question is on what BR it should be
Well first 3 shots with 3.3s reload work just fine you just get in cover to reload (or when you are on point you can just keep shooting with 3.3 sec reload and ofc doesnt make sence for it to reload longer than chi-to with its autloader empty as now). You rarely get situation when you need to fire one after another after another. 4.5s for all in turret is trade off its not even that fast for autoloader (sherman has 5s without autoloader and SAV 20.12.48 with simmlar belt like autoloader has 1.2 sec reload) nowere near reason to make it 5.7 br thats just bs. It makes it less survivable too since any penetration on turreet and tanks go poof. Even now I sometimes get onetapped in shells in autoloader even with empty rest of turret. At 5.7 its just gonna face so many things it cant do anything about deeming the tank useless.
It is only for short 75mm M4 Shermans, not long and it is more question about long reload of Chi-Nu while it must have 5s including all other balance and historic reasons
SAV autoloader is not the same as Chi-Ri. Chi-Ri uses not belt autoloader but just more semi-autoloader tray on cannon
Even 6sec for long ones isnt that much different compare to something with autoloader. Chi-nu ofc has not just nonsece reload but all togeder in bad spot compare to every other tank at the br. Thats simply how it is with japanese tanks.
Yeah I said simmlar not same. Simmlar in sence its not nearly as sofisticated/mechanized as modern autoloaders. I see that its a lot faster design not 4x tho as it would with the change. Simply I dont see single reason chi-ri would still be worth playing at 5.7 when its already overtiered at 5.0 with worse armour than chi-to bigger target with only having addvantage in the few shots reload now or faster reload for all turret shells yet slower than it was before in next update.
not gonna bother because of one thing, you think apcr is useless. its not, its extremely weak but most of the skilled ground players agree its still useful in certain fights
Yeah Chi-Nu balance is one of very weird things. Tank which is worse than Sherman everywhere except same penetration as M4 and maybe same mobility has 1 second longer reload
I don’t really know why you took my answer about Chi-Ri as an issue (while Chi-Ri doesn’t have APCR). The fact what I think about APCR shouldn’t a problem about Chi-Ri while its main issue long time of autoloader filling and because of it low RoF
