If you’re testing the missiles you should be doing it in a sterile environment against consistent targets. Not just queuing against players (or using the test drive) and seeing how they “feel”, which I’m guessing is how @AlvisWisla comes to all their faulty conclusions about vehicles.
I mean I know what the missile does and what its going to do but since Gajibbles bases BR off of player stats and or ground attack capabilities thats more what needs to be tested. It may become a god tier plane but then again it may not change at all.
Having jets carried by missiles is hard.
Whether it’s A-6E, A-5C, others, and even Jag GR1A & Jag A are carried by their missiles a bit.
We see what A-5C is without missiles, it’s 9.0.
Jag without missiles would probably be 9.7 similar to Q-5L if it kept GBUs.
It’s hard. You also should test in a controlled environment when able.
Gaijin does not base BRs based on “player stats” nor “ground capabilities” alone.
They base it on total vehicle capabilities.
If they did BRs based on player skill in the vehicle, Leopard A1A1 L./44 would be 9.7.
Nice calling everyone wrong again after parroting their advice.
But they also just ignore stuff too. I mean when the GR.1 harrier came out it was brutal but forever time passed and SRAAMS because not that potent of a missile and that jet has been easy food forever. Finally like a few months ago they brought it to 9.7 finally.
The GR.1 Jag I have never played because having no flares is sadness and its the same jet essentially as the 1A. However it was suppose to receive its chaff rails but it kept breaking the server and I guess they just got lazy and dropped them.
The problem is there almost needs to be sub BRs like 9.5 or such. Or maybe just BR limits to how far a jet can be uptiered - that would fix most issues. And maybe like my suggestion earlier is missile limitations. If my GR.1A gets put at 11.3 I should be able to use 9Ls.
GR1 was only good cause people didn’t know how to keep their distance.
SRAAMs never changed, but it went from 9.3 to 10.0 because players kept getting close.
I’d look forward to future Jags if you like the Jag airframe.
I personally dislike it, but I accept its abilities as I did spade them for GRB purposes.
I just don’t know what else they could do.
The M Jag would be pretty interesting for France but the whole anti ship missile thing kinda is pointless and I dont see them doing an event one being they did the E already.
The GR.3A really just is the J97 avionics package, I don’t think it offered much more in any capabilities other than ground armament.
I mean adding the GR.3A would really just cloud the tree up unless they foldered it.
Adding one for India would go straight back into the British tree. (however it would have radar but i dont see the point in that)
The most they could add right now would just be drop tanks and the chaff pods which are missing.
And well they will also never add the ASRAAM and it has been tested on the Jag.
I like flying it because its fun in ARB and its fun in GRB. Its a well rounded jet.
I personally wouldn’t overlook the Martel & Sea Eagle as potential future additions both of which would extend their A2G capabilities somewhat, and provide options should their BR be pushed higher, or to help deal with compression due to the propagation of better SPAA, and thus increased threat range.
Ship missiles are kinda useless right now other than a novelty (i literally have never used them on the tornado) - unless they added in more ship ai in maps.
The anti radiation missiles would be useful for SPAA but that begs the question of the whole CAS and GRB argument. If now SPAA has no chance whats the point of playing GRB anymore.
If they did get the BR pushed up as if they added in the 3A yeah I suppose.
Even relatively modem Anti- Radiation missiles (basically everything older than the AGM-88E &-F, which have a MMW seeker for terminal guidance) aren’t going to be able to deal with an aware SPAA that shuts down their radar and moves a short distance, sure it might alter the balance somewhat and lowers the skill floor significantly but just like the AIM-54 players can (and will) adapt and make them near useless if they are noticed in flight.
Many of the early systems also have very distinct smoke trails or Flight profiles so are easily identified when launched.
There’s a high probability that dev might consider add Jaguar GR.3A with AIM-9L and place before Harrier GR.7
I could see it foldered, especially since Gaijin’s new plans are to start foldering more things.
Wouldn’t be surprised if F-14A & B are foldered in the future for example.
I dont think Ive ever seen an SPAA player shut down their radar but this may change that.
That’s less than 10% of SPAA players at top tier, and I’m being extremely generous.
And targeting pod and Air-to-Ground armament on Jagaur GR.3A look like Jaguar GR.1A or better ?
Same pod
For now, yes as its less obvious that CAS are using their RWR to cue their targeting pod / ordnance, and that some features that RWR’s have to assist building and maintain situational awareness aren’t modeled.
But once a specific type of ordnance is added that targets them specifically, knowledge should propagate sufficiently to cause a change in behavior, due to the fact that those that don’t manage their emissions(Search, Track and Missile datalink) die in short order achieving little. As even the basic AGM-45A Shrike has a 16km range, which could start appearing as low as 8.7 on the A-4E.
Additionally at least pair could be carried by practically all US designs going forward so they are likely to become quite common, and considering that they can only target radar equipt vehicles will likely have a generally low SP cost as part of their as they reduce the already limited ordnance capacity of most airframes significantly.
It would be nice if we got the chaff pods at least to help with defense against spaa.
The only new weapons Jaguar GR.3 had over GR.1B was Enhanced Paveway II (i.e. Paveway with secondary GPS/INS mode), and 2000lb (Enhanced) Paveway III.
But the ingame one maybe wont have PWIII because it was carried on the centreline station which is the usualy position for TIALD. Meaning the aircraft couldn’t carry TIALD at the same time as PWIII, unless gaijin make it so pods can be put on different pylons.
Here’s Jaguar XX955 (A GR.1 I think) with TIALD on the inboard pylon
and here on a GR.3 XX738
In reality, there were only ten GR.1Bs upgraded over GR.1A, so the GR.3 was a more significant upgrade for the Jaguar fleet as a whole because it added TIALD capability to more aircraft.
ASRAAM and ALARM were mooted for the Jaguar 97 upgrade (final GR.3A spec with Helmet Mounted Sighting System), with fit-checks carried out. But integration wasn’t funded and neither saw service on GR.3A
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It would be cool if we could get that and mark GPS cords for our bombs.
I did make a post about maybe the little tiny scout drones lazing stuff.
However a GR.3 would be min 10.7 and I think that’s just too much.