As does in every tank
Such a rarity lol
Those tanks are already gutted to the ground lol they just have stab and high pen .
They just have to take one look at the crew layout to know where to shoot the tortoise.
better shell than the tortoise, metter mobility, turreted, decent armor, all at the same br.
Sure quick reload is funny in a downtier where u can pen stuff easily, but in an uptier having a good shell is much better imo, especially when ur armor can’t save you anymore.
And honestly I’m not waiting for 8 sec if an opponent misses his shot or non pens me.
Umm no. The fv4202 is not around 6.7 it’s 7.3 so that’s almost a full uptier. So we only have the charioteer with sabot for the jagdtiger at 6.3
???
How does the Tiger II H have a gunner sitting behind 250mm of armour?
The Turret cheek of the Tiger II H is only 185mm thick.
There are quite a few that don’t have much armour.
I’m looking at the M46, Ru 251, M47 (albeit its UFP is fairly good), M48 (UFP is decent and mantlet is good, but LFP and whole turret cheeks are absymal), Marder A1 and AML-90.
All of these are pretty squishy in general.
Quite a luxury at 7.3 to be honest with you.
I quite like the FV4202, and I am surprised the Cent Mk.2 is still at 6.7, despite having a two-plane stabilizer and good turret armour.
T34 has a better shell, but the Tortoise more than compensates for it by having a much better reload (8.6s instead of 14.9s).
Mobility of the T34 is good, but its top speed is fairly lackluster compared to other 6.7 heavies.
Its armour is quite mediocre (other than the turret). You need to angle for the hull armour to be good enough to reliably stop the long 88mm’s APHE round. The mantlet itself is decent but is still a giant weakspot.
Both are quite survivable, although left turret cheek of the T34 will instantly kill it, as well as the LFP, in certain conditions, with AP / APDS.
The right cheek of the Tortoise (next to the gun) can also detonate, given enough HE filler to be reliable:
I think it depends on if you’re getting a full uptier or downtier. Both have their pros and cons that suit different situations.
Pretty equal mobility, so what are you babbling about?
Yeah, the Jagdtigers gun is massive, 128mm; massive overmatch on lots of tanks. Who would have thought its gun would be better in the APHE dept.; tortoise is British, they don’t like APHE, but you have APDS iirc.
Like most of them. Most US 90mm cant pen anywhere, even with APCR, unless it has HEATFS. The 75mm even less. Only chance you got is if you catch it in the side.
You’re forgetting about the Ratel 90, and especially the G6 / M109A1.
Jagdtiger has better HP/ton (accelerates better), as well as having a higher top speed (42km/h instead of 19km/h). Although, the Tortoise has a better reverse speed of 19km/h instead of 11km/h.
Jagdtiger also has a massive vertical profile, square construction, and a massive bomb target. The Tortoise is just British, and suffers as such.(not saying Brit’s are bad in game, but in real life too; because uhh, horrendous engine designs (See leyland V-12 in the centurions))
Yes, they have 2-plane stabs at a tier where nobody else does. They are VERY strong and I’m not gonna pretend otherwise.
.7 BR above is “around”.
And a much slower reload.
I’ve used M304 and M332 quite a bit and I’ve got very few complaints.
American short 90mm APCR is actually quite underrated, being able to frontally penetrate Panthers at fairly far ranges, and doing decent amount of damage (albeit not as good as regular AP).
You can quite reliably get both the gunner and driver, rendering them completely incapacitated, unlike with APHE, where it’s quite unlikely that you can get both the gunner and driver, or get their ammo.
Such a shame that the 5.7 T1E1, with the short 90mm, doesn’t get the APCR round…
No apds on the tortoise. And 19 kph doesn’t equal the jagdtiger but sure the tortoise has better reverse, and we’ve long since left the mobility territory (noone is babbling about it rn)
Ohh do you perceive it that way, i usually think of around as ±0.3 in war thunder.
Were talking about sabot.
Why do we need to only talk about Sabot?
If the main purpose of this argument is ‘Jagdtiger has op armour’, then it shouldn’t matter what type of round it dies to.
Umm sir can you let the engagement range be default please?
Default is rarely the engagement range of most scenarios in most maps. It’s around 10m to 300m.
Only on long-range maps (like sands of sinai) should you be considering 500m to be the average.
300m is about average. Any further and you can just go back into cover.
Some guy mentioned it i was replying. So let me sum it up, the topic is not that jagdtiger has op armor or not.
Tortoise having inferior shells mobility and armor makes it a contender for 6.3. that’s the flow of the conversation.
Then I personally would not take out the jagdtiger on most maps then.
