The problem is that the T95 can take an entire match to get to the battlefield and doesn’t provide armor significantly higher than 6.7 vehicles. Sure, its overall armor is better, but you lose all mobility for it. Imagine if the Maus was at 8.7 because the armor resembles those vehicles. It wouldn’t make sense because the mobility is that much worse.
You still disable the vehicle frontally at any range without having to aim.
Sure, the Jagdtiger takes more damage, but I’ll restate that it’s much faster and provides similar kinetic protection on its front. These vehicles are nearly equal in their capabilities, so it doesn’t make sense for them to have a different BR.
That’s literally every 6.7 HEAT shell.
Pretty much every single 6.0+ HEAT weapon does the exact same damage. Anything above 280mm cuts through both like butter. Not even 5.7 HEAT-FS shells are below that amount.
Now imagine if that was your front speed. That’s the T95.
Not true.
For example, M48A2 C (7.7) HEAT-FS is 320mm. M41 has measly 254mm. Raketenautomat (8.0) 320mm pen rocket. BMP-1 is 300mm. SU-122-54 (6.7) 400mm. Type 69 (8.0) HEAT-FS pen is 400mm.
When you look at the average throughout the BR range of T-95, you can see that is is far below 433mm penetration.
Jagdtiger is 3 times faster than the T95, it is bound to have less armor.
Mobility is a major factor in balance. While it is true that the Type 61’s HEAT-FS will struggle, that is not the same for every HEAT shell. Much of the HEAT and HEAT-FS shells at that BR do not struggle like the Type 61.
Anything above 300 comfortably goes through these both at any angle. And while not “all” 6.7 HEAT is above 300mm of penetration, it is disingenuous to find one or two and use those as the average. When it comes to HEAT penetration at 6.0 to 6.7, there are next to none lower than 300mm.
All of these are 400mm penetration and above vehicles between 6.0 and 6.7. There is a significant chunk also found with 320 to 380mm of penetration as well. I will not list them simply because it’d double to triple this list.
The T95 sees APFSDS. You’re being disingenuous. There are a small handful of tanks with a penetration lower than 300mm at that BR, and they always have some advantage elsewhere.
The Jagdtiger manages to sit above 30 kilometers per hour reliably while on the move. The T95 cannot go higher than 12.8 kilometers per hour at all.
You have an assortment of vehicles which are uncommon to see. One is US, 2 Israel, 1 France premium, 2 Italian, 2 Japan, 1 UK, 1 German GJN market vehicle. Only common are 2 USSR vehicles. You see, I do not deny that having 400mm penetration is common on many vehicles, but you are being hypocritical when you accuse me of cherry picking. I used mainly German and USSR vehicles for a reason, they are the most commonly seen against T95.
Guess what? HEAT-FS/ATGM vehicles are relatively uncommon. Standard AP shells are almost completely ineffective. For example, T95 is almost completely frontally immune to the strongest AP shell, found on M103 and AMX 50 Foch.
The T95 sees APFSDS. You’re being disingenuous.
Early APFSDS is often less effective than you may think. For example, take the Type 71 APFSDS on Type 69, top penetration 219mm. Other nations either have similar APFSDS at the BR or have none. The only good APFSDS at the BR range is Object 120.
There is a significant chunk also found with 320 to 380mm of penetration as well.
This is correct, but the T95’s weakspots against that range are surprisingly small.
Here is the performance against M431, which has 320mm of penetration. You can immediately see that the penetrable area is localized to the flat area around (but not including) the mantlet. This makes missing shots at range quite easy, and avoiding shots using angling or wiggling very easy as well.
I did not list the ones from 300 to 399mm of penetration because I do not want to post a brick of messages that would take up too much space.
No, you did Cherry Pick a single 6.7 vehicle with some of the lowest HEAT penetration at its tier. You also went out of your way to grab vehicle examples well outside of the 6.0 to 7.0 BR bracket.
The German M41 Bulldog is not particularly common. In fact, I’ve barely seen it played ever. What you did is listed vehicles an entire BR above the T95 for some reason. No one in their right mind plays a heavy and slow vehicle in an uptier.
You’re completely forgetting the Magach 5, which gets DM23 at 8.0. To make it worse, 8.0 is absolutely filled with vehicles that have shells capable of cutting through a T95 with complete impunity.
That is not small. That’s a third of the front, and the sides that aren’t “Green” can still be penetrated at times.
M431 is a 5.7 HEAT shell. It is found on the M36B2 at the lowest.
You cannot angle a T95. It exposes the ammunition to the HEAT Shell.
The a39 🐢 is perhaps one of the worst TD I’ve ever played, downright worse than the T28, armor is crap compared to other TDs and it only has AP so it lost in the post-pen department, the optical zoom for some reason also shit, I’ve never been successful in this thing lol only redeeming thing is the reload speed compared to other TDs, but it’s also way too slow considering it has like 50 crews in there?? Almost 10 seconds to reload a puny 96mm shell when the interior is the size of a mansion? It also cannot turn when you are reversing
If players cannot figure out how to destroy a jagdtiger or maus, they need to play more creatively. You highlight all the weaknesses of many German (and USSR) vehicles, but sadly the player base is still stumped on how to defeat these slow vehicles. Most players only care about whether or not they can “pen” the front armour, and they never imagine that they can play scouts, mark targets, and shoot from the flanks. To the average player, War Thunder is a game of who has the best front armour, and people question whether nations are viable (besides USA, Germany and USSR)
Not remotely undertiered. It’s a Cast Hull Sherman and slower than a King Tiger. It doesn’t have more penetration than most of the HEAT tanks at its BR either.
But you are ignoring the fact that lietrally anything with armor is assessed that way. Not to mention yeah why isn’t the t95 6.7 then? As u said front armor is not everything and ‘just flank bro’.
If they are taking a select few shells and making it the base ground for balancing these vehicle then… Ahem ahem… Ladies and gentlemen let me present to you again the topic of the post: jagdtiger vs tortoise!!! One is a disguised ferrari while the other is a crawling snail! One is a boom cannon while the other is throwing rocks!! One is almost invincible frontally while the other can be penetrated by your old grandma’s cane!!! yeahh yeahh very fair very fair. Why don’t we compare them in the same way and let’s see. Ohh the tortoise can be penned by 1 2 3… 37 38… 69 70 71… Almost everything!! Ohh yeah right but the jagdtiger is so much worse yeah, it’s such a boring vehicle that i literally fall asleep coz practically noone can scratch me, yawn gaijin please balance it and put it at 5.7, it’s suffering at 6.7 and so on…
They may have changed it, but I distinctly remember dying multiple times to Jumbo Pershings (not super pershings) to the lower pixel edge of the LFP. A tank that should be nearly completely incapable of scratching the Jadgtiger without APCR frontally. It was literally the joint between the bottom of the hull and the LFP that got me killed.
Its gonna be useless at 7.0+. The maus is at 7.7, and if its put at 7.3, it will get bullied by HEAT-FS and the darts of 8.3. Completely unreasonable. Just look at how uplayable the maus is (unless in a downtier). Now imagine that, but you dont have a turret, you don’t have the 75mm, and you have weaker shells.
