Tog is also a 5.3 vehicle while the tortoise is 6.7 and faces 7.7 often.
I thought this was already voted down?
I am refering to the spall created by the round. Tog is lower but also has less pen do to a lower shell speed.
Ohh i don’t have the tog and can’t check in-game either so i didn’t know. But sure, do try the tortoise and tell me how u feel.
The spall is pretty nice on it. For an ap shell that is.
I will play it for a bit. I still have to grind that last task for the grind event :(
I haven’t played the Jagdtiger or the Tortoise but I can tell you that the Jagdtiger can be quite scary to fight the Tortoise usually not.
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7 out of 7 is a very tight window I didn’t even start.
The T95 has at the very least 300mm of armour on the front. So it can die to 305mm HEAT-FS from things like the Ru 251.
I agree that the T95 has a better armour profile than the Jagdtiger, as well as having a more useful gun, but the T95 is significantly slower than it, which is the reason why the Jagdtiger is not much lower than the T95.
The Tortoise (although not having APHE) has a more sensible gun. The AP from the tortoise can penetrate most things frontally with relative ease (and can 1-shot fairly reliably if you shoot center mass), as well as having a much quicker reload than the Jagdtiger (8.6s instead of 18.2s).
They are both decent at 6.7, but I wouldn’t say they’re quite practical in most cases you’d find yourself in an actual match.
It’s an ap round it needs extra pen to spall properly and it is hitting the same weakspots as any other gun at this br and it has no HE filler, yeah sure call the gun nice without addressing the disparity.
I have played 3 games. I will post screenshots of the leader boards. I died twice but they were from cas. I was only penned in the first game, top screen shot.
Aren’t those downtiers?
Again, you don’t acknowledge that the Jagdtiger has a 18.2s reload, which is much worse than the Tortoise’s. Most places you shoot are the same as that with the Tortoise, this is true. However, you can shoot the turret of the Tiger II H and fairly often overpen and detonate the ammunition behind the crew. Most APHE rounds would only take out the turret crew and no more, requiring at least two shots to kill.
You wouldn’t have many issues with dealing with the UFP of T34s with the 94mm gun either, and I can tell you that there are quite a few that struggle with doing that consistently (if the T34 angles), such as the Tiger II H and T-44.
Tortoise also has a much better horizontal guidance than most TDs at this BR (-20 / +20 degrees compared to -10 / +10 degrees with the Jagdtiger).
This means that you can angle your armour and have to worry less about not being able to get gun on target after getting your transmission / engine taken out, unlike with the Jagdtiger.
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so far, it has been 7.0, 6.7, and 6.7. i guess beginers luck on the mm.
I usually get 7.7s if I play 6.7, so consider yourself lucky indeed.
not lucky. next match was also killed by cas. 2500kg bomb from a ju288.
Edit: finished the 5th match. no cas bombing me this time :)
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More pen, and 700+ g TNT eqv on an aphe shell, sure make an argument about the reload but russian 122 also has a longer reload with less pen but it is still balanced based on its one shot potential. Sure angle all you want ur tortoise, it doesn’t eliminate the cupola and a new flat spot that is created elsewhere. As i said 250-180=70, obv it’ll spall okay in the tiger turret, yet you can’t compete with aphe from the same tier jagdtiger which has superior armor (you don’t even need to engle the jagdtiger most of the time lol) and talking about armor, the jagdtiger has a measly little mg port that is really hard to hit as the only frontal weakspot, talk about a fat chonky boy that leaves u helpless. Compare that to tortoise, it has a huge cupola, huge mg port with flat armor in the vicinity, flat gun mantlet, relatively flat lower hull near the transmission. All of these combined makes for various options to face a tortoise with. Add to this fact the gun uptiered to 7.7, nahh spare me. Whereas if the tortoise does go down to 6.3, same things will still be able to pen it in the same spots, it’ll just be saved from the 7.7 hell where it’s gun is obsolete and it’s armor is useless and it didn’t have mobility to begin with.
I don’t have exp with the vehicle so I can’t tell if u r right, but I’d bet that the jagdtiger will have an easier time killing a t34 than a tortoise if what u say is correct lol.
IS-2 compensates for the reload by having a turret and being more mobile, although I think the IS-2 (1944) should be 6.3, and possibly the regular IS-2 to 6.0 (although I genuinely think more BR decompression is required here).
A common opponent you’d face would be the Tiger II H.
Unangled:
Angled:
Sure, some new spots arise near the corners of the Tortoise, but a lot of it was already there previously.
Its definitely an improvement.
You can definitely shoot the cupola, but I genuinely think it’s not that reliable, as you may not shoot exactly at the lower center of it, and if you do manage to not overpenetrate it, you will only get the driver / load / machine gunner, requiring two shots to kill it, and perhaps even dying to it due to the gunner still being alive.
Yes, the Jagdtiger would have an easier time, but the gun handling, reload, neutral steering, and even the reverse speed, is better on the Tortoise, which makes it much easier to aim and deal with upcoming threats.
Maybe, but I don’t think that the Tortoise is that bad.
I have a friend who plays it quite often, and said to me that it is reasonable for the BR, which I can somewhat see given its attributes.
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The fact that the tiger 2 h can pen the unangled tortoise front like that as seen from ur ss says a lot. Combine that with the fact that everything can pen you at your weakspots and some things can easily ignore ur armor kinda makes the heavy weight and poor mobility tradeoff a waste at this br, further Heavily limiting ur already limited playstyle. It is a casemate, they are supposed to be tanky for the most part, but the tortoise is kinda meh~, sure a player who doesn’t know the tortoise MIGHT struggle with it but they still have pretty apparent weakspots in clear sight (not everyone can bush those up including myself for now) and an experienced player will never struggle with u, especially in stuff like the tiger 2 or the (potato heavies) t34 t29 etc. combine with that an okay gun (no aphe) and poor mobility, and the 7.7 abominations and heat.
BUT if move it to 6.3 it will eliminate one of the problems, to some extent two, but the situation will still remain same. Everything can still pen it at it’s weakspots even at 5.3, so what has changed really? Just that it has some insurance of the 6.7 heavies not being there in a full downtier and 7.7 not being there in full uptiers, but 6.7 br is really popular and you’ll get some good amount of uptiers . 5.7 is also popular so we have this 5.7-6.7 bracket where you are going to have most of your matches, here there is still the same heat shells, the same 6.7 tanks that can lol pen you. What’s the problem? It just makes the vehicle a little more competitive in uptiers.
Edit:Also in my belief a slow casemate at the same BR shouldn’t look that green lol 😂
Really nice 5th match tbh