The Jagdtiger is one of the easiest vehicles to flank in the entire game. It is fine at 6.7. The King Tiger is the same BR but better.
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but think of the poor german mains who cant get kills if the wunderwaffe goes to a right BR
The Tortoise is objectively worse than the Jagdtiger, which is why it should reasonably be 6.3, but the Jagdtiger going to 7.0 wouldn’t be fair either. The Jagdtiger is potent, but has weaknesses and isn’t invulnerable.
I also believe the T95 should be the same BR as the Jagdtiger since it’s easier to kill lol
I never understood why the T95 was 7.0. That’s just weird when the Jagdtiger gets to be 6.7
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I played all three and I firmly believe that T95 is the best one.
I agree with OP that Tortoise is way less comfortable at 6.7. Although I have problem mainly with its mobility, not armor, it is easily the worst out of three.
I think that Tortoise was relatively recently raised in BR, wasn’t it?
Thats easy, the Jagdtiger can easely be killed from the sides and back while on the T95 you will struggle because of all the sloped armor and space from the double tracks
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I have also played all three. The T95 is not significantly stronger than the Jagdtiger but has more prolific and well-known weak points. Everyone knows to shoot for the Cupola.
An inexperienced player may shoot for the side and struggle, but that’s not a weak point. Everyone who’s somewhat competent in that BR bracket aims for the Cupola, which is a much more consistent and prolific weak point than a Machine Gun Port on the Jagdtiger. While true that the Jagdtiger’s sides aren’t as durable, it’s also significantly faster and packs a larger punch. You can also mitigate the issue of armor by angling the Jagdtiger unlike the T95.
There is a reason I regularly drop nukes in the Jagdtiger and not the T95.
This is very True but the overall Armor layout is much bedder on the T95 then on the jagdtiger.
also the lower plate of the jagtiger is a large weakspot for me and the turretcheeks can be penned aswell with apcr/apds/heat.
in this sense the T95 can take more punishment from the front and to a degree from the sides.
and i think the T95 can rotate faster with neutral steering or just turning wich i find struggles the Tiger sometimes when driving slow.
plus the 0.50cal for all the rat tanks.
But in the end the players skill (and luck of course) decides how well these Tanks will do.
I’ve never been killed through my lower plate in a Jagdtiger.
Any HEAT that cuts through a Jagdtiger will cut through a T95. APCR is way too risky and few will fire it at a Jagdtiger, even fewer can pen it, and most people don’t even bring it. APDS shatters extremely easily and you need more than 270mm of flat penetration to cut through the superstructure’s cheek armor. That kind of penetration is nearly non-existent at 6.7 for kinetic rounds.
Remember that this comes with a major downside. The T95 is the least mobile vehicle in the game. The Jagdtiger is still relatively quick for its weight while the T95 is quite literally the slowest vehicle in-game.
Yes, the T95 is faster to turn, but if you’re in a situation where turning quickly is important, both vehicles are dead.
50 cal is useful, but cannot look backward. That has killed me several times.
Correct, but the T95 does not do anything better without a major drawback to balance it. There’s no reason the T95 shouldn’t be 6.7 alongside the other heavy casemates.
It’s a difficult shot, but the LFP on the Jagdtiger is volumetric (for some stupid reason) and thins out significantly towards the bottom of the tank. So much so that short 90mm APHE can penetrate and go under the transmission to oneshot your crew.
Vast majority, I would estimate >90%, of vehicles near the tier cannot pen Jagdtiger except for the MG port and flat areas on the turret (upper part of tank). It is incredibly hard to hit those small weak spots, especially when at range.
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Tends to be easy to get nukes it full downtiers… I mean…
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I can’t mirror what you’re talking about. This is the only spot I can find.
These two vehicles are hardly different in durability frontally. The only upside the T95 has is stronger side armor, but that’s balanced out by the extreme drop in mobility when compared to the Jagdtiger.
There should be no difference in BR based on these attributes.
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This thread is about the British Tortoise at 6.7 (not the American T-95 at 7.0) compared to the German Jadgtiger at 6.7
Unless I’m missing something
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Correct, but all three fall into the same basket, which is why my first reply addressed this.
The Tortoise, T95, Jagdtiger, and Object 268 all fall into a similar basket.
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That is not correct, the T95 has much stronger frontal armour than the Jagdtiger. It is so strong, that it in fact can resist many early APDS and 350mm HEAT-FS.
In addition to smaller weakspot. In my experience, cupola of T-95 is harder to hit, and does less damage when hit compared to Jagdtiger weakspots.
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Not really. Both are pretty identical in armor protection frontally with only an average of 20mm differing on their front plates. Against threats at their BR, the Jagdtigers mobility advantage helps a lot. Especially when all HEAT shells at the BR cut through both of them no matter the armor.
Neither is going to survive a hit from HEAT at that BR. Any shell with above 280mm of penetration cuts through them both without issue. That’s every singe Rank 3 HEAT shell and above.
The MG port of the Jagdtiger has volumetric issues and deletes shells. The Cupola of the T95 does not and is a larger weak point.
Lets also not forget that the T95 is the slowest vehicle in the entire game.
T95 faces newbies who rushed Tiger and Panther and think they are invincible and can lolpen everything XD.
jokes aside, the tank itself may have some drawbacks but its get backed up by superiour murican cas aswell.
Î guess iam not in this group of people.
Normally i bring at least 5 APCR (mostly american 76/90mm) with me and APDS all the way with British and have no issues shooting the cheeks of it and then getting tracks, barrel or flanking it for the kill shot.
Also Tortoise can have as much as a 10 sec faster reload the the jagtiger.
wich doesnt mean its a bad thing, in return its pseudo stabalized like the tortoise wich grants bedder first shoots.
Tortoise: 8.6s reload, -10 depression, 40deg gun arc
Jagdtiger: 18.2s reload, -7 depression, 20deg gun arc
JT also traverses much slower.
Type 61’s HEATFS with 320mm penetration has no issue with a Jagdtiger anywhere from the front, but a T95 will reduce its damage to the point where it barely does anything or just stop it entirely.
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You are using a 433mm penetration HEAT shell for the protection analysis?
Also, note that even with 433mm penetration, the penetrable area of T-95 is far lower compared to penetrable area of Jagdtiger.
Put in the -19km/h reverse speed for the Tortois aswell, wich grants some extra points in survivability
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