I think JA37D isn’t worth br11.7, JA37D doesnt have a good enough radar missle or an airframe enough to dogfight with other planes in 11.7or 12.0, like J7E,J8B,Mirage2000 etc. And it’s engine is way too weak in this br. Gaijin should consider add the thrust kgs to 14000kgs or more, so that the engine is enough for JA37 to dog fight with others.I have killed more than 800 planes in this plane and kd is about 2.7.I really dont think this plane is such bad in the reality(even without RB99).So I hope Gaijin can buff this plane for a little bit.
And AJS37 is really bad in 11.3. I really dont think this plane worth it, for it doesnt have guns or flares inside the plane. Most importantly, this plane can only carry 2 RB74 at the same time carried with both gun pod and flares. So this is really bad in this br. I hope gaijin can change the br to 10.7/11.0, or let it take 4rb74 at the same time.
don’t forget that what is weak on air RB can be very good on ground RB. And based on all statistics, they “balance” BR. And the fact that they don’t play their own game too much, they don’t know much about gameplay and their experience on official streams is killing themselves with their own bombs xD I wouldn’t expect very wise decisions. Tables with statistics rule there, even if everyone knows that something is too strong or too weak, they are not interested in it at all. There have been cases where a few good players have jacked up the cost of repairing a plane to sky-high prices just because no one was playing it anyway and their algorithms had a very small sample to study and they still increased the repair cost making the plane totally unplayable for most people. Don’t wishful thinking, something isn’t playable, just don’t play it.
Yes, as you said AJS37 is not a playable plane ,and the biggest problem isn’t that plane. The real issue now is the sweden af doesn’t have a plane worth 11.7br, which is really critical to swedish players.
okay, lets break that down one by one:
the missiles on the D-Viggen has RB71 (DF) wich are equivalent to the AIM-7E2 (DF), wich got quite hard effected by the Recent Drag-Patch to Air-to-Air Missiles but they are still useable if you figure out what distancenses are good to use
even on 11,7 there is plenty of Jets you can easily dogfight:
-the phantoms on 11,0 11,3 11,3
- all of the tornados
- all of the J-8s because they are literally a MiG-21bis airframe
and dogfights do not happens often in TopTier, so your jet dont need to be good at dogfighting things like Mirage 2000s or MiG-29, F-16As (wich are btw one of the best dogfighter planes and literally everything else against it will loose - its not a JA37D issue)
that is not an option, at-all, since this results into fantasy stats for Jets and that is not how Gaijin or War Thunder works blud
buff it to what? fictional stats to make “better” cuz it “sucks”?
it may get RB99 (AMRAAMs) wich should make it more
and keep in mind, D Viggen was a stopgap (of around 3 years) until the GRIPEN enters service
yes, i agree but its not meant to be a great fighter since it is a imprved ground strike Viggen, for CAS Operations
yes because its not a dedicated fighter
yes, and? whats the problem about it? Thats a issue that you cant blame Gaijin for, since SAAB decided to put Guns/Flares at the same Pylons as Missile
No and yes, because its not a fighter, its not meant to be one
ofcourse its lacking Air-to-air capabilties but it was never meant to be good at this
4x RB74 (AIM-9L) should definitly not be on 10,7, just no
since in direct comparsion the Viggen Airframe is superior to the stuff that is flying around 9.7-10.7 or even 11,7 when you keep in mind how many Phantoms there are
it already can do that but ok ( i know what you mean but that is a issue created by SAAB)
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yes, but there is a little problem is that, J8 literally isn’t mig21bis airframe, mig21 bis is much worse than J8. J8 has much better trt in low speed, and it is literly better than JA37.
And I really agree that there surely is a lot of phamtoms, but there is still a lot of other planes in 11.7. When it comes to a 1v1 with other planes in 11.7br, it isnt able to win most of the time.Such planes like F14A, Mig23ML, J8F, M2K, is much better in energy fight. So why i want gaijin add thrust? cuz i just want it can be better in low speed and be able to fight against other planes in 11.7 fairly.I have tested most top tier planes, and finally found the trt of the saab is really bad, 22sec at least. While others have a trt of 20 or even better. Maybe those issue will be solved when Grippen releases.
And AJS37, it is surely a ground rb plane, but, it is not a good groud rb plane in 11.3. To be compared with, Mirage2000D, Tornados, F-4E(include israil ones) etc, they all have much better abilities in grinding the AA or tanks, like, f4e have 6 agm not 4; m2k have guides bombs, as30 while taking a aiming pot(which i think is critical). Thank you sincerely for answering me=]
wrong, the J-8 is based on a Mig-21 airframe, same characteristics etc
no it isnt. also what means trt?
and? dogfights dont happen very often in toptier anyways. you also shouldnt go for 1v1s when its not the last two of both teams. 1v1 capabilites are not that neccessary in toptier
i already explained why this is not a option, cuz this is not how War Thunder works, you cant just buff Values to a fantasy value becasue ppl want it that way. get back to reality
the BR of AJS37 is good for GRB.
viggen is a brick and Lacks thrust, which is the opposit of what it was Irl. it was def faster as it already lacks it’s real thrust and it has an RB99, now this post is almost a Year old so RB99 at that time wasn’t a good idea, now it’s more achievable so Buffing it and giving it RB99 and the real thrust and a better FM wouldn’t be much of a problem ,be cause i am very sure this thing is broken be cause with this Huge Delta wings this thing doesn’t seem to be loosing speed so fast at speeds between 1190-1100kmh it turns into a brick that barely turn, unless you break that speed mark and than you act like a Normal delta which is something also is a problem with the J35D it has the exact same problem but even worst. So yeah the JA37D does need it’s real loadout and real performance.
No it’s not the Kit wasn’t comparable to anything at 11.3 you lack guided Bombs and thermals to your TV and not enough flares and Chaffs now it’s 10.7 and even now i think it’s still high the only addition is 2 More Air to ground missiles that are extremely bad(based on experience) and realistically 2 more 9Ls be cause to carry 4 you need to give up guns and flares.
Just give the viggen the Real thrust, and all of them the real loadout and they’ll be balanced and good to use. just another vehicle ruined by gaijin’s way of balancing.
The necromancy is strong in this one
Isn’t a brick and has thrust.
It would bump its BR to at least 12.3, probably 12.7.
It would make it go from Arguably one of the best 11.3 aircraft in the game, to a missile delivery van at the BR its radar suite is lackluster and at that BR lackluster sustained maneuverability just makes it extremely unappealing to play
Gaijin frequently armament balance aircraft, and in the case of the JA37C and D it benefits them a lot
it has less thrust than it had IRL, and RB99 isn’t extremely good to make it go 12.7, just decmopress add 8V8 and add stuff like the F4F ice and give JA37D the realistic loadout won’t be that bad.
If you have documentation that is contrary to what is in game, go make a bug report.
As it stands its a rather potent dogfighting capable aircraft.
Its an Aim-120. Something that will likely cause all 12.7 aircraft to bump significantly in BR.
Regardless of how high the JA37 goes, it still makes it go from one of the best 11.0/11.3 aircraft in the game, to something less appealing at a BR its airframe just isnt suited.
Its loudout is realistic allready, and id say going from one of the best 11.3 in the game to mediocre missile delivery truck at 1.0-1.3 higher BR is quite bad
I have a hunch that this quarter JA37D Viggen got active radar homing MRAAM Rb99 (AIM-120B) max BR lower another 3rd gen fighter and subsonic fighter aircraft with active radar homing MRAAM
completely agree, this thing just made me play sim instead and shoot AI 🤣
okay, maybe try to be good with your viggen lol
Well if they were gonna add RB99 and move it to 12.7 it might aswell be now but idk why they would do that just bear the grind and get the gripen. Or they could add a duplicate but folder it under the gripenA