But they never proceeded with the engine swap no? The ability to easily swap the propeller engine for a jet one, regardless of if it was an idea thought up during the war, did not manifest in any sort of prototype, which puts it below the Ki-201 in terms of likeliness to be added.
You mean the singular link we already know of or a full length of track?
Yes by the rules it is unlikely however the facts are on the table, Gaijin can with these facts make a working realistic aeroplane for the game. It is very few things that is a mystery here, infact the Kikka got in despite having unreliable engines, the Karyu can get in but it has never flown granted it being a Me-262 variant means it probably would be able to fly if completed. J7W1 to J7W2 speed increase is not that much it would probably be kinda like how it went with the Yak-9 to Yak-15, including to that the He-162 is faster probably since it is made from wood!
It seems very doubtful to me that Gaijin would be interested in adding more paper aircraft right after removing the R2Y2s, but to each their own I suppose.
Yeah but there they did not even know where the weapons and engines where suppose to go and just stole ideas from other jets aicraft 262, F2H & MiG-9 etc etc. The J7W2 is at the very least has data to back up where everything should go, gameplay wise they would be nearly same but one being a bit faster and way more noisy… (also hit boxes is probably 99% same)
The R2Y2 V1 is actually somewhat of a real design as it had been proposed during the war, same as the J7W2. Both vehicles have around the same amount of supporting evidence and progress of design and Gaijin still chose to remove the former. So while you may find the J7W2 realistic enough, the no-blueprint planning level clearly isn’t enough to be added.
My problem with the R2Y2 is that the only realistic config is the V1 and that one may or may not have the engines in the correct spot, for all we know they could have mounted the 2 of them on the top like the He-162 or two of them on the back like the american A-10 tank buster… x-x
True, but the point being that the J7W2 isn’t all too different than the R2Y2 V1, and seeing as how Gaijin is removing it for the simple reason of being paper, it’s reasonable to assume that they would not add a similar vehicle back into the tree.
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Yup but as far as paper airplanes go, this one probably has the best amount of facts backing it up. Hopefully the Karyu, T-33 and T-1s gets added so Japan gets something at rank V…
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Good stuff. I hope it gets added in game.
Other than Yak-15, there is another plane that uses the rear engine allocation that was converted from prop to jet. J21
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Words from thread author.
so he’s hoping for it to be within the game.
like it or not, the final will of this thread is to subjugate Gaijin and force them to add this plane (obviously, it should never be implemented ever)
Germany like? a coypaste from many nations? doesn’t seemsuseful.
on the other parts:
South-Korea and Japan are behind China, and before Taïwan the 2 best nations of the Far East, it is normal that each one of those don’t try to cooperate if it means less advantages for their countries.
only Europeans thinks that cooperation is the way to go,… and all it as served for now is to let Americans sell their “toys” to pursue NATO shield,…
Yet : this is politics.
I only provided them the faqs, they choose what to do with it in the end.
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- The aircraft would have been designed and maybe even tested if the engines had arrived, plenty of proof they wanted to and could do it.
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- As it is proven by both Sweden and the USSR a prop-plane can be converted to a jet.
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- With the exception of the Fuji T-1 most Japanese jet aicraft are copies of German or American designs which makes the tech tree really boring? :<
Examples:
- Kikka & Karyu = Me-262
- Ki-200 & Shusui = Me-163
- T-2 = Jaguar
- F-2 = F-16
rest does not even try to hide it such as F-4, F-15 etc etc…
AFAIK, T-2 isn’t a copy of the Jaguar but a domestic jet which has a similar design and the same engine. (Licensed built version of R&R/T Adour by Ishikawa), which looks like convergent evolution.
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if you look closely, the T-2 is a somewhat scaled down F-4, as of course that is what the main jet for Japan was at the time
Like how the T-1 looks like a F-86 or F-100?
Plenty? list them here, with links.
Have you seen the differences between a Yak-15 and Yak-3/9 ?
The whole carriage under the nose isn’t intially there → it’s not a CONVERSION, but a VARIANT BASED
whole difference is that it requires some Studies before implementing it.
Same goes with J-21’s
copies but differents:
→ Kikka is smaller overall by -20% compared to Me262
→ Ki-200 /J8M are bigger by 10% compared to Me163 (even if licensed, Japanese had to redo all the conception work from Me-163 Piloting manuals and stuffs, and in such made similar work than the Me163, while being new at the same time)
→ T-2/F-1 and Jaguar are also pretty different : technical details exists, both in carriage and controls, aswell as ordonnance and capabilities.
→ have you ever compared a F-2 or a F-16? F-2 is larger due to a Japanese Wing Design for customized implementation,… the F-2 and the F-16 only shares common look, but are overall way more different than you would think.
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sources are proveded already!
that also depends on the original airframe and the size of the jet engine, the process is not always the same. Will the Shinden have a bigger ass? Maybe? Maybe not? From what the designers stated, it would not have been hard.
yeah first impressions is kinda everything, everyone say those are copy planes so they feel meh… Shinden that thing looks super Japanese! :D
Anyhow just getting new plane with four 30mm cannons is better than pew pew 50cals… (Karyu)
then let’s first try to have it’s flight model fixed,… the current J7W1 certainly is a Flying brick comparable to what are Hunter F.1 or F-104’s
I’d very much rather get the J7W1 fixed, fix it’s bugged combat flaps and either give it airspawn or put it down to 5.3