My problem with the R2Y2 is that the only realistic config is the V1 and that one may or may not have the engines in the correct spot, for all we know they could have mounted the 2 of them on the top like the He-162 or two of them on the back like the american A-10 tank buster… x-x
True, but the point being that the J7W2 isn’t all too different than the R2Y2 V1, and seeing as how Gaijin is removing it for the simple reason of being paper, it’s reasonable to assume that they would not add a similar vehicle back into the tree.
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Yup but as far as paper airplanes go, this one probably has the best amount of facts backing it up. Hopefully the Karyu, T-33 and T-1s gets added so Japan gets something at rank V…
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Good stuff. I hope it gets added in game.
Other than Yak-15, there is another plane that uses the rear engine allocation that was converted from prop to jet. J21
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Words from thread author.
so he’s hoping for it to be within the game.
like it or not, the final will of this thread is to subjugate Gaijin and force them to add this plane (obviously, it should never be implemented ever)
Germany like? a coypaste from many nations? doesn’t seemsuseful.
on the other parts:
South-Korea and Japan are behind China, and before Taïwan the 2 best nations of the Far East, it is normal that each one of those don’t try to cooperate if it means less advantages for their countries.
only Europeans thinks that cooperation is the way to go,… and all it as served for now is to let Americans sell their “toys” to pursue NATO shield,…
Yet : this is politics.
I only provided them the faqs, they choose what to do with it in the end.
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- The aircraft would have been designed and maybe even tested if the engines had arrived, plenty of proof they wanted to and could do it.
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- As it is proven by both Sweden and the USSR a prop-plane can be converted to a jet.
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- With the exception of the Fuji T-1 most Japanese jet aicraft are copies of German or American designs which makes the tech tree really boring? :<
Examples:
- Kikka & Karyu = Me-262
- Ki-200 & Shusui = Me-163
- T-2 = Jaguar
- F-2 = F-16
rest does not even try to hide it such as F-4, F-15 etc etc…
AFAIK, T-2 isn’t a copy of the Jaguar but a domestic jet which has a similar design and the same engine. (Licensed built version of R&R/T Adour by Ishikawa), which looks like convergent evolution.
if you look closely, the T-2 is a somewhat scaled down F-4, as of course that is what the main jet for Japan was at the time
Like how the T-1 looks like a F-86 or F-100?
Plenty? list them here, with links.
Have you seen the differences between a Yak-15 and Yak-3/9 ?
The whole carriage under the nose isn’t intially there → it’s not a CONVERSION, but a VARIANT BASED
whole difference is that it requires some Studies before implementing it.
Same goes with J-21’s
copies but differents:
→ Kikka is smaller overall by -20% compared to Me262
→ Ki-200 /J8M are bigger by 10% compared to Me163 (even if licensed, Japanese had to redo all the conception work from Me-163 Piloting manuals and stuffs, and in such made similar work than the Me163, while being new at the same time)
→ T-2/F-1 and Jaguar are also pretty different : technical details exists, both in carriage and controls, aswell as ordonnance and capabilities.
→ have you ever compared a F-2 or a F-16? F-2 is larger due to a Japanese Wing Design for customized implementation,… the F-2 and the F-16 only shares common look, but are overall way more different than you would think.
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sources are proveded already!
that also depends on the original airframe and the size of the jet engine, the process is not always the same. Will the Shinden have a bigger ass? Maybe? Maybe not? From what the designers stated, it would not have been hard.
yeah first impressions is kinda everything, everyone say those are copy planes so they feel meh… Shinden that thing looks super Japanese! :D
Anyhow just getting new plane with four 30mm cannons is better than pew pew 50cals… (Karyu)
then let’s first try to have it’s flight model fixed,… the current J7W1 certainly is a Flying brick comparable to what are Hunter F.1 or F-104’s
I’d very much rather get the J7W1 fixed, fix it’s bugged combat flaps and either give it airspawn or put it down to 5.3
South Korea has too many interesting vehicles to be entirely skipped on.
China subtree.
Not really, mainly because F-16A Block 15 ADF was about a decade newer than the proposal for the F-16AJ. In reality the F-16AJ was a multirole interceptor derivative of the Block 10, using experiences from the YF-16 Sparrow testbed to match the weapon capabilities of the competing F-14 and F-15 at a time when there was no MRMs on any F-16. The most notable change here would be to the rear landing gear, which got two piece doors with attached Sparrow launchers similar to those tested on the YF-16A, but also other minor changes to the aircraft.
The door pylons were even tested, going as far as full-on launch tests on the YF-16. The only thing missing was guidance, since the testbed aircraft never mounted a radar.
Gaijin’s F-16AJ just isn’t the F-16AJ at all, because as soon as something isn’t built, game companies thing they get a full pass to just make stuff up. In this case this was some dumb reasoning why the proposed F-16 would’ve been downgraded to a level below the minimum expectations of the competition, even going so far as to remove the GBU-8 despite being mentioned in the brochure for no reason at all.
So while the real F-16AJ was never anything more than a paper proposal based on other existing aircraft and projects, Gaijin’s F-16AJ is just fake, based on a lack of understanding of Japan’s fighter requirements at the time.
That being said I get your point. J7W2/3 aren’t really anything more than post-war speculation. I wouldn’t even be opposed to some paper vehicles if this wouldn’t be such a slippery slope into complete fiction, but this is way too much.
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I do understand the concern but my opinion is this “should it work?” if the answer is yes then sure, all the parts for it is there so to me it is not a stupid addition if it was ever added. R2Y2 they had no clue where the guns, engines or anything was gonna go! Hell to me a Ki-162 would be a better pick since that is a clone of He-162 at the very least then we know where everything is suppose to be and they could even copy pasta the german one over… The F-16AJ and R2Y2 is filled with flaws, to many for my taste. :|
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R2Y2 they had no clue where the guns, engines or anything was gonna go!
War Thunder’s iteration of the R2Y2 were straight-up copied from page 81 in Japanese Secret Projects: Experimental Aircraft of the IJA and IJN 1939-1945 By Edwin Dyer, which goes to extreme fantasy lengths if Japan somehow had the resources and time to design new aircraft while still losing a war.
(They even have identical matching camoflages and paint schemes)
Book:
In-game:
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This could also carry rockets on the wings.
Yup exactly, while with the J7W2 we at the very least knows the majority of the aicraft, also that the development team wanted to do it.
This is what I want War Thunder to avoid at all cost, any plans that was fake and 100% without proof! I mean the Ki-162 at the very least is a He-162 clone that airplane would not bother me, even tough by the WT rules makes it even less plausible than the Shinden…
Edit: realistically speaking the J7W2 and maybe the Ki-162 would probably have started showing up at some point, if the US did invade mainland Japan along with other weapons that never got to fire a single shot.