There’s no proof that the Pl-12 and Pl-12A are different besides possible minor sensor upgrades. Most sources never even talk about PL-12A, B, C or D variants because literally nothing is known. What IS known is that the SD-10A on AVIC’s website is identical to the claims of the Pl-12/SD-10; the mods smacked down the report because it is neuron activation of SD-10A != Pl-12, no thought or education on the subject matter was presented in the denial, just a knee jerk reaction.
Regardless, I don’t have time anymore to hunt down and try to prove them wrong (RIP full time work) so I will dump some of the screenshots of information I’ve collected thru Chinese sources for y’all to use:
With no limit on the number of Top BR jets 12.3↑ will fight more 13.0.
In such a match, all the J-8F, given only PL-12s, can do is fire its only two PL-12s from medium range and RTB .
Do not engage in combat with GEN 4 jet fighters. J-8F will be defeated by the IRCCM, not to mention their aircraft performance.
As an added bonus, the upcoming 13.0 jet will be equipped with MAWS. Oh J-8F, what happened to your MAWS that you had when you were in Dev? Any PL-8 that is released from behind will be prevented by the thing.
It is much stronger to stay at 11.7 without PL-12 than to be at BR12.3 in the next update with the current Dev performance.
If going to 12.3, then strengthening is a must.Sir
PL-5E hasn’t IRCCM but would be a good addition nonetheless.
PL-5E-II has too strong of an IRCCM, being dual-band
PL-8A has a twin-element FoV gating seeker similar to the Magic 2 and R-73
PL-8B has quad-element seeker which upgrades IRCCM, unsure how much but likely too much
J-8F with PL-8A and PL-5E would likely be bumped up to 12.7 same as the ICE, but would probably perform better there than currently.
Finally, some source that suggest J-8F still keeps the ability of using PL-11 https://yspapp.cn/2dse @MiG_23M It seems J-8F still find some way to use PL-11
I asked Andreis Ruprecht for his list of sources on J-8 and he was unable to provide anything but various secondary and tertiary sources + photos of the new plane’s ordnance with no PL-11 next to it at the time they were showing off the new PL-12.
Did any of the sources on the J-8’s new radar also agree that there is no CW illumination device? Perhaps it can guide on a HPRF frequency or something.
maybe, before this, the argue is that PL-12 comes into service almost same time as J-8F, and not reliable at first time, Chinese army won’t stand this without a backup plane, in this situaion, PL-11.
Now, we finally have evidence, even a launching cut.
I believe my report that the J-8F could not use PL-11 is now proven false, also it was marked ‘duplicate’ originally. Can y’all see if there is an internal report or source that shows the J-8F can / can’t use PL-11? https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/vWZKG5mn6SBI
If there is no further sources than what I provided in my report, I’d request that it be marked as not a bug or fixed and amend the error by adding the PL-11 to the J-8F once more.
possibly no, if there is any, someone would post it before. Only some Chinese military critics suggested it can. I think there are some classfied docs but they are classfied, so the critics can only “suggest”, but cant give any source they know.
I heard some sourses said late Sparrows could be guided with HPRF instead of CW, and we said J-8F can’t use PL-11 because Aspide use CW to guide and Type 1492 radar dont have ability to use CW, but is there a possibility thay PL-11 could use something not CW to guide? Maybe it’s not just a China made Aspide but also have upgrades
It’s certainly possible considering that it is a work of 1990s rather than much earlier, so the missile could certainly use HPRF, but it is only a speculation without source. PL11 are not just Aspides since they do have improvements but I have no sources even suggesting these improvements include HPRF guidance capabilities.
Really cause the sources all suggest that they do not have CWI, where did your sources come from? I will be very interested to see the source if possible.
