Then it helps your case even less. On top of AI and “just google bro” is not valid sources, you want to dive into something which, by all means it seems, considered CLASSIFIED INFORMATION (and it, by your own words, being purged by China’s government only reinforces it as such). Now, we all know the meme about leaking classified docs on forums, so lets not do this again
Edit: And if you want to improve J-8F then why not pitch said PL-8B with it IRCCM? Since we obviously cant get more Fox-3 missiles, might at least try to get better IR ones
At 13.0 do you think pl 8 are ok ? No irccm.
It does not have any option other than pl 5 b
Other planes at even br 12 have better missiles and number of them. Sparrow magic mantra etc etc .
Agree
But I think stating from ai is not a leak
Do you agree that pl 8 is fair at 13.0 ?
Check air rb it’s a 13.0 plane.
Changed a week ago…by br decompression patch.
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Even if we dont mention how shady AI as is - there’s no way to verify the information. It like the talks in another thread I remember about active-radar version of R-27 (no info on it and only “other” version of R-27 out there is passive-radar R-27P)
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In that case PL-8B can be added.
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First off, the AV-8B+ is a harrier. It’s beyond lackluster in flight performance and arrives hella late to the battle. Secondly, it doesn’t get HMD. If the J-8F gets PL-8Bs then it deserves to go up a step in BR, and possibly another step if it gets 2 more PL-12s, but I could see it only going up one step both both those additions.
IRST on the YaK-41 and countermeasures on the American F-5C is also very historical, someone must’ve provided incredibly reliable sources for them!
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It already sits at 13.0 with bad flight characteristics and bad missiles it still faces 13.7 most of the time .
If it does get pl8b pl 9 pl 10 pl 11 or even 4 pl 12s and goes upto .7 or .3 br then I don’t have any problem.
It’s a shame that a 13.0 br plane suffers against f14s at 12 br and etc
It shows how biased and vindictive this community has become.This is bad real bad.
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Yes it had bad flight characteristics, but it’s not as bad as the AV-8B+. And again, HMD paired with the IRCCM would definitely mean a BR increase whether you like it or not.
Also, I have yet to see any proof it can/did carry any missile other than the PL-12s and PL-8s. Mind showing some actual sources and pictures (unless you already did and I missed them)?
BR placement has nothing to do with the community
Plane with pl8 and struggling against f14s at 12 br does.
If you want I can provide link for pl 11 pl 10 and pl9
Pl 12 link has been terminated by Chinese government.
But the rest missiles link and docs are present in military sites.
Would love to see it (if it’s in English ofc, if it isn’t then don’t bother as I don’t know any other languages).
When it gets PL-8Bs, it won’t be. 40G IRCCM go brrrr
ODIN - OE Data Integration Network.
It was tested with pl 11.
Same here
Now this one says not only pl 9 pl 10 but also R77 and R 27 so good luck and happy reading
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I did see that, and have not played or checked that vehicles loadout. I think a bug report should be made to correct for its PL-8Bs for sure.
But I cannot find any instances of 4 x PL12s. Not even a test photo.
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The document used to exists with a Chinese government site stating 4 missiles but it was taken down by the Chinese government as its a military secret the llama model was trained on it so it does say it but cannot provide the link as pl 12 is very classified
J-8F and PL-12 Missile Loadout: A Challenge in Data Availability
Unfortunately, there is a significant lack of publicly available, specific data regarding the exact number of PL-12 missiles a J-8F fighter can carry.
Understanding the Limitations
- Classified Information: Details about aircraft armament, especially for advanced models, are often classified military secrets.
- Variant Differences: Even within the same aircraft model, there can be numerous variants with differing capabilities, including missile loadouts.
- Mission Profile: The number of missiles carried can depend on the specific mission profile. A long-range interception mission might require a different loadout than a short-range air-to-air combat scenario.
General Considerations
While we cannot provide a definitive number, we can make some educated inferences based on general aviation practices and the J-8F’s known capabilities:
- Hardpoints: The J-8F has multiple hardpoints for carrying external stores, including missiles.
- Missile Size: The PL-12 is a medium-range air-to-air missile, which is typically larger than shorter-range missiles.
- Payload Capacity: The overall weight and volume of missiles will limit the total number that can be carried.
- Internal Bay: Some fighter jets have internal bays for carrying missiles, but this information is not publicly available for the J-8F.
Based on these factors, it is reasonable to assume that the J-8F can carry multiple PL-12 missiles but the exact number would likely be between 2 and 4.
Why is it then that every book i read says it can only mount 2?
There was this one governmental website that said CJ-6 could carry PL-15, trust…
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Yak-141 (I assume it was 141?) is the case of “This was planned to be installed on”. Also that it suppose to do with lack on information (besides “Just google, bro” and AI chatbot) on greater number of Fox-3 missiles? (unless you imply Snail could “why not?”, for which is we need to know J-8F performance in-game to determent if it need adjustment on Snail’s discretion)
F-5C - a) you would prefer for it to NOT have countermeasures? And b) IIRC whole motion that it “could” receive them, but never did, but for balance sake they are included (again, would you prefer to not have them?)
My argument is not possible for 4 pl12s for lack of military document and sites but
I have provided the most genuine link that it can carry pl 12 x2 with pl 9,10,11 and even r77and R 27.
The obsolete pl 8 should not be the choice in 13.0 br