Most outrage here comes from people who never even played the J-7E once. Is it good? Yes.
Should it be moved to 11.3? Probably.
But not with its current weapon setup. A 60 round low velocity 30mm canon and only rear aspect missles.
Most people are just upset that they have to fight it now with their 11.0 F-5s.
NR-30 is just bit slower ADEN/DEFA as far as I know so, it is not “low velocity” guns.
It is just skill issue if you can’t aim even though it has 60 rounds.
Which is literally best rear-aspect missiles in the game.
F-5E would lose against J-7E if you forced 1v1 duel.
Most people are just upset that they have to fight it now with their 11.0 F-5s.
You do realize there’s other planes that have to face it now due to the recent BR change? Planes a full BR below now have to face it while it doesn’t even get a 0.3 BR change
Thats more like a F-5 being over-br’ed
Thats nice, all others get All-Aspect and some even IRCCM. Taking a Magic 2 over the PL-5B any time of the day.
Also its still rear aspect missles on 11.0. Like, yeah they are good but they are still only rear-aspect.
Also yes the velocity is pretty much the same, the HE filler is smaller and it just got 60 rounds.
It’s nice that you perform well with the plane, you are a very good pilot. Still, in my eyes, if you wanna increase the BR give it at least some All-Aspect missles.
I do, I just like to call out the F-5C/E farmers - like you. <3 No hard feelings.
It doesn’t if you mean flight models.
I have F-5E and J-7E so, I can test 1vs1 with you if you want.
There are no fighters that has all-aspect missiles in same BR.
Indian Jaguar has Magic II at 11.3BR but, flight model is pretty bad.
Also, Su-25BM has R-73 at 11.3BR as well but, it is slow attacker.
Ask that for F-4E, F-4EJ, Kurnass, F-104S, J35XS, JA37C, Kfir Canard which is 11.3BR but still stucking at rear-aspect IR missiles.
Sometimes sparks for somehow but, It is enough for killing players if you know how aim NR-30.
Nah, I just have some braincells that actually works. i guess you are just insanly bad for playing J-7E.
You mean x4 PL-8?
Yeah, it would be same BR with Kfir C.7.
why are people mad about this its like the only good thing china has rn. not even that op
That’s because it is insanly good if you have decent duel skills.
it has a 60 round cannon with rear aspect only missiles. it should be moved up slightly but it cant fight anything in a uptier if it was moved up.
Ah there it is, the ad hominem.
Pretty much all your most played vehicles are utterly seal clubbers and famous for the light handeling, F-14A, Yaks 3s and Mig 17s.
There are no fighters that has all-aspect missiles in same BR.
Indian Jaguar has Magic II at 11.3BR but, flight model is pretty bad.
Also, Su-25BM has R-73 at 11.3BR as well but, it is slow attacker.
Ask that for F-4E, F-4EJ, Kurnass, F-104S, J35XS, JA37C, Kfir Canard which is 11.3BR but still stucking at rear-aspect IR missiles.
Apparently there are not as many brain cells as you thought. Most of these planes actually have other rockets too SAHR tbh - yes they only have rear aspect IR missles, I’m aware. But they can actually engage from the front on a distance.
11.3 Mig 21bis has R60Ms, Mig 23M has R60Ms, Su 17/22s R60Ms, Sea Harrier FRS.1 Aim 9Ls, F-5E FCU, Python 3s and OFC the german tornado with its 9Ls
So why shouldn’t the J-7E not get an all aspect missle when its put to 11.3? PL-5C/E are avaiable for that too.
But thats pretty much everything to say about that.
Every plane is insanly good if you got decent duel skills.
The J-7E has an excellent RWR, so it has no problem dodging AIM-54s that is launched from the F-14A, and of course the J-7E can win 100% in WVR.
Only issue is M2K but, it is just undertiered. IMO, it should be 12.7BR.
Not 100% in WVR cause of rank 4 modification called G suit, you will over G easily if you fly over 800km/h, speed retention is also a bit… Like F5s are 100% more maneuverable and with flares PL5B is not like a guaranteed kill, acts similar as 9J/9P. ( Gaijing does take radars regardless of type as an advantage, like why Mig19 and Mig21 in same BR)
You need to take the effort to dodge it and then a couple of all aspect IRs and then you get a chance of fighting back, every few matches an all aspect missile ignores your flares.
I mostly play old top tier planes such as Sabres and MiGs but, MiG-17 isn’t clubber plane in past few years including before supersonics/AAMs.
In 2017? Maybe because MM wasn’t broken but, it was absolutely not clubber plane post 2018.
It was certainly a monster, but the skill level of the aircraft was very high compared to the other old top tier jets such as CL-13A.
The most scary thing about flying the MiG-17 was the CL-13A Mk.5, which had a similar top speed and required lower skill level, and the F-2 Sabre, which has death laser 20mm cannons.
BTW, funny how even the stats per aircraft, even the “seal clubbers” you mention, are far worse than my stats for almost all of them.
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J-7E
You: 317 spawn, 203 death, 422 kills (1.33kpf, 2.07kd)
Me : 254 spawn, 99 death, 464 kills (1.82kpf, 4.68kd)
J-7D
You: 282 spawn, 211 death, 347 kills (1.23kpf, 1.64kd)
Me : 239 spawn, 118 death, 398 kills (1.66kpf, 3.37kd)
F-14A Early
You: 102 spawn, 93 death, 72 kills (0.7 kpf, 0.77kd)
Me : 387 spawn, 242 death, 653 kills (1.68kpf, 2.69kd)
F-14B
You: 136 spawn, 111 death, 142 kills (1.04kpf, 1.29kd)
Me : 200 spawn, 123 death, 365 kills (1.8kpf, 2.96kd)
MiG-21MF(Germany)
You: 65 spawn, 53 death, 67 kills (1.03kpf, 1.25kd)
Me : 297 spawn, 146 death, 485 kills (1.63kpf, 3.32kd)
F-104A(ROCAF)
You: 61 spawn, 42 death, 65 kills (1.06kpf, 1.54kd)
Me : 51 spawn, 20 death, 143 kills (2.8kpf, 7.15kd)
I didn’t pick planes that is almost same but different nations such as my J-11 and your Su-27, your MiG-19PT and my J-6A, your F6F-5 and my Hellcat Mk II because most cases has bit different flight models or matchmakers.
All their IRAAMs have lower performance than PL-5Bs.
Though some of them have SARH missiles, you can make them useless with some chaff or doesn’t even need chaffs if you hugged on the deck.
JA37C is PD radar but, thats not much issues becasue only things what you need is notch and drop some chaffs so, you can force 1vs1 duels against Viggen.
Which has literally worst all-aspect missiles in the game. All of them are super easy to dodge if you have flares.
As for the MiG-21bis, they can be considered equal, since the J-7E is far superior in terms of WVR, although MiG-21bis has R-60M+R-13M1 and better top speed, engine.
As for the Su-17/22, they have really bad flight models. On some maps their engines would hot as nuclear reactor without water supply, but I haven’t flown it recently so I don’t know if Gaijin has fixed that.
I don’t know about MiG-23M because it has only 12 flares.
Bro think that subsonic attacker is better than J-7E 💀
I spaded Sea Harrier FRS.1 when Falklands War event cames but, it isn’t good as you think tbh.
It is still a Gen’1 Harrier which has not good flight models, although it has an AIM-9Ls.
Although it could do some weird things using VTOL mode but, when I faced against decent dogfighter such as J-7E, Kfir Canard, J35XS etc, they would almost always send me back to the hangar.
That in itself is a problem.
Since F-5C and F-5E has same BR and F-5E FCU has only 0.3BR defference.
Tornado IDS is ATTACKER which is NOT designed as aircraft for mainly killing fighters.
At most it is just missile for self-defense.
With the exception of the F-5E FCU, they all have problems with the flight model or the missile itself or something else.
I guess F-5E FCU is undertired if you compare to Kfir C.2 which has x2 Python-3 at 11.7BR but, idk. I may be wrong.
My belove Hunter F.1 can’t outturn CL-13A Mk.5 in any speed even somebody who is ways better than me in 1vs1 duels on Hunter LMAO.
While I’m not good enough player to win many tournaments, at least I should be far better than the average player and over 90% forum members.
I still don’t get why J5(Mig17) with PL2 is at 9.3…
Use airbrake bit then.
Problem solved.
It doesn’t???
I have F-5E and J-7E so, I can test 1vs1 with you if you and me are online.
It is far better than AIM-9J/P because PL-5B pulls harder and range is longer.
Rocket motors burn out quickly, but that is not a problem at all because it is pretty fast.
AIM-9Ls and other all-aspect missiles are ways easy to flares compare to IRCCM ones.
I don’t know what are you talking about.
Classic Gaijin moment just like “mUh sTaTs”.
Honestly, the CL-13B Mk.6 and Shenyang F-5 should be equivalent and may drop to 9.0 BR in sooner or later.
I run into them all the time, whilst trying to dodge SARHs without chaff, even if I am flaring… J7E is good but I just want 11.3 with PL5C. PLAAF never even used PL5B as only a 2 digit number of them were ever produced. Regarding AIM9P range, what is it in reality, I would not launch a 5B outside of 3km range.
That pulls you to around 350km/h after a turn at 800km/h which is minimum of not pulling over Gs, F5s do around 450 partly because they don’t fly fast enough.
Just hug on the deck as you possible.
Multipath still works so, you can dodge SARH missiles that is launched your ahead.
Honestly, J-7E could probably have PL-8 and go to 11.7 to makes good counterpart of Kfirs.
PL-5B can hits at 3km but, AIM-9J/P can’t.
It will vary depending on you and target’s speed, but at most it will only hit about 1.5km to 1.8km.
Why do you care about over G now that wing ripping is far more harder than it used to be?
BTW, probably, I will post a J-7E and F-5E 1v1 video because nobody reply about 1v1 me in this forum :(