IRCCM isn’t the only factor that can affect a missile resisting flares. I’ve also had countless R-60s go through flares to kill an enemy.
Im not saying it needs to change…
Just that its major flaw in ARB is a lack of range.
Launching missles from angles and ranges your opponent isnt expecting is better to guarentee a hit.
PL5B > R60M
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If you can’t play a missile to it’s strength, it’s on you. maybe think of other playstyle that doesn’t involve you screaming down from the sky and shooting missile from 4km away.
The R-60’s only strength is the short fuze-time making it ideal for the cheese <1km head-on launch strat that only works on clueless premium players.
play a missile to it’s strength
the PL-5B’s strength provides way more consistent results and kills than the R-60M. That’s the entire point. It’s exactly because it allows you to shoot missiles down from the sky from 4km away that makes it so good.
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yeah, do it then. that’s how I make 9J work, as a rear aspect under 1.5km missile against slow target, not against energy god or some kind of sniper missile or a rear aspect anti-manoeuvre button.
then maybe your skill is limited to killing clueless prem noob. no offense but maybe the mistake is and has always been you who can’t employ a dogfight missile in dogfight or BnZ 3rd party.
Correct me if I’m wrong but your stat card doesn’t feature a single aircraft that uses the R-60M.
maybe the mistake is and has always been you who can’t employ a dogfight missile in dogfight or BnZ 3rd party
You’re comparing an AIM-9J, a missile that can be found as low as 9.7, to an R-60M that is the Mig-21bis’ main armament at 11.0. Even the Mig-29 can only carry the R-60M. And still, your comparison is accurate but not for the reason you think. In a dogfight or 3rd party scenario, any R-60 kill could have also been achieved by an AIM-9J.
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yeah i dont have R60M in my inventory rn. thinking of getting it next sale if 21 lazur is on sale. it does absolutely done me dirty with ppl that goes 3rd party instead of using it as divine smite though. so point still stand.
You want trash missile to trash missile comparison right? i gave you one. want to compare it with what now? 9G? doesn’t exist in fighter that isn’t naval. 9H? 12.0 missile.
9J, relative to 9.7 - 11.7 US plane is the main missile like R60M is at 10.7 above. maybe you forgot that 9.7 has rear aspect R-60 so it fills the same niche as “main missile” like 9J? just because USA doesn’t develop all-aspect AIM-9J doesn’t mean it doesn’t fill the same position as R-60M.
Maybe if WT changes every single AIM-9J above 10.7 to AIM-9J1 that they further fake to AIM-9P4 / Diehl’s AIM-9Juli (they faked KH-38MT into existence, faking an AAM shouldn’t be that bad), the “R-60M bad” advocate will see just how dogshit both faction missile are.
dont have one. have been killed too many times by their carrier for too many time from the side though. that’s how I know people don’t use it as smiting rod.
it does absolutely done me dirty with ppl that goes 3rd party
So you are the clueless premium player I’ve been killing with it?
You want trash missile to trash missile comparison right? i gave you one. want to compare it with what now? 9G? doesn’t exist in fighter that isn’t naval. 9H? 12.0 missile.
What kind of argument are you even trying to make here? What does this have anything to do with the point that the R-60M is the worst all-aspect missile in the game and that the PL-5B is better? If anything you’re only proving my point with that rambling.
no lol. you headon clueless premium. not side-aspect clueless premium. you killed somebody different.
My argument stays in that those 2 missiles play differently, and I bring 3rd missile to showcase the difference. then you disparge AIM-9J because it’s not all-aspect. of course I have to go on the whole “gaijin should fake another missile” to prove that it’s all a matter of playstyle before it’s a matter of performance.
So you agree that the R-60M has to be played like a 9.7 missile in order to be effective while a PL-5B can be played way more flexibly and yield better results?
it’s all a matter of playstyle before it’s a matter of performance
I beg you, do NOT compare my stats to yours. I would be extremely embarrassed. Especially my Mig-21bis stats, it would be awful for me please don’t do it.
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Exactly my point before…
They came from the side where you arnt expecting it. But setting up that scenario where you arnt spotted from close range is harder than launching from longer ranges rear aspect.
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something something don’t be the first one to charge the enemy line.
Well shoot dont do this dont do that.
Please enlighten me with your R60M experience.
Seriously go fly something with it and report back how easy it is…
I’m sorry I had to be the one to tell you how to use the missile optimally.
I can make the same argument about AIM-9G being a god rod that punish people from 4KM away and every 9G carrier should be at 11.0 if you love god rod that much but I will not.
Completely irrelevant.
it’s my SL that I care. and I surely don’t want this thing goes to 11.0 and end up an F-4S feeder.
God forbid planes are balanced. A J-7D can handle an F-4S without issue, same as the Mig-21.
I love my free 20/40/60/80K SL per game
Yeah, no shit you love farming SL with an undertiered premium. Guess we should make the Mig-21bis 10.0 because I like shitting on everything I face like a public toilet. What about when I play the F-4C? Do you think I enjoy facing J-7Ds that I can do nothing against? A way more imbalanced match-up than J-7 vs F-4S, and it’s only 0.7 BR difference.
cool, pay me for the lazur then.
i like this kind of assumption where you just assume that all I get is downtier game. nah dude, i’m getting 11.7 games all the time. Also.
your word
not mine.
Dude I WISH that plane had 6 R-60M. At least then having no nose authority and really bad sustained turnrate wouldn’t hurt as much. The only thing the attack floggers have is the big gun and GRB CAS ability.
They’re not even fast enough to consistently get bases anymore.