J-7D. The most broken plane at this time

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yeah you have the initiative against slow A-10s that you can run from and smash it with even the Gsh.

To say none against F-4C/F-1…poor lads.

but all it takes is a small .3 uptier.

Aim–7E, E-2-DF, R-24R just to name a few. A competent F-4 pilot will know to use the 7E against the J-7D, forcing it low to take advantage of ground clutter. Why I say that? Because all these missiles I mentioned are CW seekers, and as long the opponent 's radar is locked onto something and within visual, the missile will track.

So much so for initiative. Now you’re forced to play the role of a F-5, but with HORRIBLE energy retention.

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I don’t know what server u play on but I noticed that switching servers can give you an easier time
For example when I was playing F8U-2(10.3br) on EU/CIS I got destroyed by J-7D almost every game but then I switch to NA server and the vehicles I faced changed a lot and became very playable
If u meta game a little bit and check people’s profiles you will see a lot more lv100 players on EU/CIS than NA so you can switch servers to your advantage hehe

Anyway back to the topic of J-7D being OP keep in mind the J-7D is a premium so a lot of new players who crash at takeoff play it yet despite that it has 55% WR with 10M games sample size

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This is very high for a premium, for reference the F-4S has 45.5% WR, F-4J despite being worse has 47.8% WR (Premium vs Tech tree)
If J-7D was a Tech tree plane it would probably have 58% WR It’s definitely very good

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Using this stat, I think the mig 21 bison of 12.3 has 1.2 kb or something. Would you consider it Op?

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All of these missiles are easy to deal with, maintain altitude and go into a notch drop some chaff and its gone you don’t need to use ground clutter + mig23 has MTI mode so it will ignore ground clutter anyway
CW signal just makes it immune to head-on chaff deployment

Considering it has 3.6m sample size with 60% WR I would say yes, but I acknowledge that if it were to go to 12.7 it would face 13.7 almost every game and drop to 40% WR so its fine as is until decompression happens

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Both F-5s ur showing have better K/D and even the Mirage III E noone rly plays have better stats than the J-7D. Problem is,those few mil games are since introduced,from that time J-7D got nerfed multiple times,FM wise,weaponry wise with the PL-5B nerfs and the contrails above 5k everywhere which made climbing and stealth throwing missiles worse as everyone now notices you.

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Exactly, these planes are played by skilled, mostly lv100 players. The IIIE is a foldered vehicle anyone who is just grinding to the top wouldn’t even research it
Its expected for tech tree vehicles to have higher WR than Premiums. not to be rude but the average premium player is simply less skilled

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10x the sample size of the Mirage, btw the AMX is for CAS not ARB

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I’ll stop replying to this thread for now, my suggestion is to bring the J-7D back to 11.0
o/

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You can say it was all bait, you still have time.

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I don’t get it, are you trying to mislead people or what

R24R is 11.7, a whole 1.0 above

DF is 11.3 and is on a non-MTI/PD platform and is chaff affected (Luckily J7D has 72 CM’s)

So where is this 0.3 difference really? The JP EJ that has regular 7E that take 2km to start tracking.

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Since uptier happens a lot, we should judge a plane both by how it performs in its own tier and uptiered fully.

Also these are CW seekers, which means a combo of notching and chaffing will be needed. The J-7D does not have a RWR that points the precise direction of a threat, like the phantom RWR does, which means it will have to be done visually.

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Exactly. These people don’t know what they’re arguing, they just know that they hate the J-7D for whatever reason.

“It has amazing missiles!” Okay, want to know what is better than a rear aspect missile? An all aspect missile at 10.3, routinely fighting 9.3s with no flares. So why isn’t the A-10A (Early and Late) and the Su-25 at 11.0+?

“The J-7D has too many flares!” Okay, but people seem fine with bringing up the J35XS, because “countermeasures don’t matter since most missiles can be flared off with one”, plus, the A-10 gets 480 COUNTERMEASURES, the Su-25 gets 256 COUNTERMEASURES.

“But it’s different, they are too slow!” Okay, so why is the Venom at 8.7, despite being slower than 6.7 jets? I guess the F-104 should be 13.0 because it’s faster than most things. Speed obviously has zero impact on the BR. Also, they have all aspect missiles. That means they can shoot you from everywhere.

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its just a beefed up mig 21 MF not as strong as mig 21 bis at 11.0

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All aspects would push it too 11.3/11.7.

Flight performance also matters.

No one is saying that.

Learn the context of those arguments

Brit tax

Whataboutism

Me when I lie

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I would settle for radar missiles, since the Phantom gets them at 10.3, MiG 21 SMT gets them at 10.3, Mirage IIIs get radars at 10.3, but no, the J-7D is pure rear aspects. Hell, that’s all China is at Rank VIII: rear aspects. The J-8 is rear aspects with the Apsides, but that’s it (and you don’t even get to use the radars until you nearly spaded it anyways).

Yeah, flight performance matters so much when you have multi-hundred flares. If we really want to talk flight performance, we can talk all day about the British and their tax. I mean, when you have AIM 9L spam at a BR where no one can protect themselves, I think that beats out whatever performance issues that may affect it. Plus, let’s not forget that it has AGMs and other payload options that can easily wreck havoc among ground AI and bases, but hey, it can only go 676 km/h :'-(, same with the Su-25, it’s sooooooo terrible having all aspect missiles when the best flares it fights are 16 round rocket pods, it must be so terrible going 962 km/h and fighting jets that have the turning radius of a grid square (looking at you J-32).

It may not be in this thread, but there is another thread that said that since the J-7D has so many flares, it is untouchable.

I know the context, it’s a bunch of c… people trying to nerf minor nations, because God forbid another country defeated their meta. I mean, do I need to bring up that guy who is demanding that other jets go up in BR because his MiG 23 was being bullied?

Yeah, that shouldn’t be the reason. Joke or not, the fact that the Venom is at 8.7 quite literally defeats all arguments against the A-10 and Su-27 from going up in tier. Anything you can say about why the A-10 and Su-25 should stay at 10.3, regarding speed, flight performance, anything besides bias.

We can say the same about the J-7D. It’s all whataboutism.

I was being sarcastic about that, and it should read clearly, especially in the context given.

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These radar missiles are basically useless because they are mostly kinematically dodgeable and dont even require chaffing. Unless you keep flying straight, they wouldn’t be problem.

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True, but at least I’d have something for front aspect fighting.

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Not how that works, you don’t need to notch CW seekers. Even with the recentish buffs to gen3 non-PD radars, you still only need to dump a certain amount of chaff while not flying in a direct head on to chaff these missiles.

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Because attackers get special treatment by gaijin so that they can “perform” in an “air to air” role. Nobody debates this with you because it’s obvious why and it’s been settled 2 years ago. A large % disagree with gaijin on their way of balancing these.

There jets are outliers and should not be constantly brought up in discussions about PUREBRED FIGHTERS.

PL-5Bs are too good to be at 10.7 fighting 9.7-10.7 and on an excellent flight model at that for 10.7.

again, outlier, actually works to DIMINISH your point rather than help it since you have to keep pointing at outliers to defend the obviously undertiered jet.

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Minor nation suffering

The F-104 should be a higher BR. I don’t know space space of your ass you pulled out 13.0 though

The only thing that has an impact on BR to gaijin is silver lion income. They have said as such. That does not mean we, the playerbase, should care about that.

It’s far closer to the 21bis than the 21mf. It has a lightened airframe AND a stronger engine.

Try 12.0?

It doesn’t and it does. It’s a complicated issue for the ATTACKERS that should not be compared to FIGHTERS.

Uhh, ground AI in ARB literally does nothing. Neither do bases. It’s literally just SL converters.

Nobody here is saying they should stay that BR…

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