its not
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defyn said that the j7d is mid so everyone has to agree even if he states that his videos are just his opinion.
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well, the j35s can clap anything that is not a rank 8 dogfighting aircraft
laughing hard as the f-5c is the same br, has less twr than a me262 and barely breaks the sound barrier below 3000m, and carries only two of the worst IR missiles in game.
2 years ago*
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Easily one of the most mid planes of the tier
Holy copium of this entire topic. J-7D by all means should not be at 10.7. It has better TWR than MiG-21bis at 11.0, as well as having missiles that you can use in way more scenarios than something like R-60M. If people don’t understand how to correctly use airframe of a MiG-21 in a fight or can’t understand how to use IR missiles without enemy flaring them 100% of the time, especially ones as effective as PL-5B it should not dictate a BR placement of an aircraft.
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F5Cs acceleration once over 700 kmph is pretty solid, and its high speed retentions still great.
Generally i believe it could be 11.0 again (i got it specifically cause it was moving to 11.0) but its not op at 10.7
Btw aim 9Es are not the worst ir missiles in game.
They can still get you kills providing you use them right.
But yeah J7D has better TWR than the 11.0 bis, had 2 less missiles but arguably better missiles as r60ms are situational as hell and actually less flare resistant.
So yeah J7D should really be 11.0
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I love this forum when every time I see F-5C mains and J-7D mains both blame others, but not theirs
for the FUBAR status of 10.7BR.
Both should’ve moved up to 11.0 if MiG-21bis hadn’t come down to 11.0 thanks to compression. :/
“But AIM-9E isn’t 11.0 material”
Then how about asking to get AIM-9J/P as compensation, ffs.
“But PL-5B/PL-8 is rear aspect ass”
As long as Mirage IIIE has only two of Magic 1 while J-7D can wield 4, it shouldn’t share the same BR.
“We can’t bomb”
laugh
Both are most broken planes in 10.7BR.
Blaming one and advocating other shouldn’t happen at all.
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Definitely need decompression game-wide for all modes, but saying the J-7D is broken when 1 (one) flare per missile can throw them completely out of the window is silly to say its broken. Not to mention yeah, yeah only rear aspect but facing all aspect and radar missiles is also silly.
TLDR: Decompress so vehicles fight even vehicle standards
I might have agreed if the game was enough decompressed and J-7D had never faced flareless jets like Milan, Mirage IIIC or Jaguar GR.1. :|
Just like arguing about AIM-9E on F-5C is meaningless because their main weaponry were gun.
do you know how countermeasures work? Every single non-irccm missile can be one flared regardless of being AIM-9B or AIM-9L or PL-5. Learn to use them properly and launch them effectively.
“Do you know” yes i know that’s why i am saying it’s ridiculous
it’s not ridiculous, weapon kit of J-7D is a lot better than MiG-21bis even if you take into account 2 additional missiles. And J-7D has better performance. So please explain me why it should be at 10.7 while bis is at 11.0? And bis is pretty fine at 11.0 it can confidently throw hands agaist 12.0 stuff like Tornado F or F-4S when you know what you’re doing
All aspects and radar missiles probably
PL-5B are literally the best non IRCCM rear aspect missiles in the game due to their ridiculous speed, they are the outright most flare resistant missiles without flare resistance due to sheer kinematic performance. You have to basically pre-flare them if they aren’t launched from 4km+. That’s a step above everything else without IRCCM and all aspect seekers. All rear aspect missiles get decoyed by one flare, but PL-5B can and will regularly just ignore flares that are launched too late. Slower missiles will still be vulnerable to flares even halfway up someone’s tailpipe.
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you keep saying “all-aspects” like it’s some sort of sorcery. All-aspect missiles are as easy to flare as rear-aspect, you won’t get a kill 95% of the time with them if you just launch front or side aspect. And radar missiles at this br are extremely easy to avoid, there is whole ass 1 airframe with truly dangerous missiles, which is Flogger. Any sparrow can be dodged even without chaff and multipath by a simple loaded roll.
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I’d say 9G is still extremely potent because you can launch them from fruther distance. Players usually don’t bother checking anything beyong 1.5-2km around them and eat 9G. But i’d take PL-5B any day of the week over 9G despite it also being very good
Would love to have this experience
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