The thing that holds back j7d is it’s bad airframe mostly. I stomp on them in a gunfight with the mig 21bis.
It’s ultimately multi factors that makes it 10.7 worthy.
That said, the j7d, even if 11.0, will be much better than the kfir canard with only 2x 9G missiles and flares that only strictly works on missiles from the right.
If the J7D airframe is bad then Mig21bis is peak garbage, the only factor that keeping it at 10.7 is basebomber and new player who play the thing.
Well the bis is undeniably better in a furball due to more engine power in afterburner and all aspect missiles (when you’re blackout from G force, it matters little whether it is PL 5B or R60M)
Just think of it as some kind of “bad spot” in development. Think of it as AIM-9J to all the AIM-9 series. jackshit in all trade, master literally nothing.
beside this is just plain old smear and word twisting. I said “missile without IRCCM would not counter anti-IR CM”, not “R60M can be compared with R-73”. Again, i’m pointing out how ridiculous you lot who keep saying “Flare resistance” about non-IRCCM missile when all of that share the same value as the good ol 9B, nil.
It’s developed as dogfight missile, so there is that. maybe time travel back to 1963 and give the russian AIM-9L seekerhead and tell them to “make missile that is effective in both close and medium range relative to average IR missile performance” rather than trying to stealth chuck an R-60M like it’s AIM-9G.
Mig-21 variants, including the J-7, are all incredibly good dogfighters (except the F-13). They beat almost everything in the first two turns (yes, even the Mig-23). The one aspect in which the Mig-21 struggles is the two-circle/sustained fights but literally no one takes those. 90% of players will always go for the one circle where you can instantly pull into them. And the few players that know to drag the Mig-21 into a prolonged fight can easily be countered with the crazy acceleration it has and you can disengage and reset the fight.
I’m tired of seeing people who clearly have no clue how to dogfight in the Mig-21 saying that it’s bad in dogfights. Learn energy management, people.
But non IRCCM AAM have a certain amount of not following flare ? Literrally every missile got that , you just bring the bar up to narnia and use that as a justification to “J-7D le bad , R60M good cause All aspect”. No it doesn’t work like that
No , lmao. “Better in a furball”. Lmao , bro you base bombing in mig21bis , what do you know about it ability in a furball ? The only thing it good in a furball is run the f away and sneak missile in. It is not a Jet for furball , it literally bleed all it speed in one turn, it missile at sub 1.5km can be defeated by turning or a single flare
I fight after bombing. Also since j7d is common, and I have to dodge pl5bs, I usually end up turnfighting with them, in which I could win.
can’t convince me to dogfight with that dogshit gun. goddamn russian and their obession to gun down bombers.
All these are myth. I evaded R-73 once and i got tailpiped by an AIM-9D once after popping 8 flares lmao.
IRCCM isn’t the only factor that can affect a missile resisting flares. I’ve also had countless R-60s go through flares to kill an enemy.
Im not saying it needs to change…
Just that its major flaw in ARB is a lack of range.
Launching missles from angles and ranges your opponent isnt expecting is better to guarentee a hit.
PL5B > R60M
If you can’t play a missile to it’s strength, it’s on you. maybe think of other playstyle that doesn’t involve you screaming down from the sky and shooting missile from 4km away.
The R-60’s only strength is the short fuze-time making it ideal for the cheese <1km head-on launch strat that only works on clueless premium players.
play a missile to it’s strength
the PL-5B’s strength provides way more consistent results and kills than the R-60M. That’s the entire point. It’s exactly because it allows you to shoot missiles down from the sky from 4km away that makes it so good.
yeah, do it then. that’s how I make 9J work, as a rear aspect under 1.5km missile against slow target, not against energy god or some kind of sniper missile or a rear aspect anti-manoeuvre button.
then maybe your skill is limited to killing clueless prem noob. no offense but maybe the mistake is and has always been you who can’t employ a dogfight missile in dogfight or BnZ 3rd party.
Correct me if I’m wrong but your stat card doesn’t feature a single aircraft that uses the R-60M.
maybe the mistake is and has always been you who can’t employ a dogfight missile in dogfight or BnZ 3rd party
You’re comparing an AIM-9J, a missile that can be found as low as 9.7, to an R-60M that is the Mig-21bis’ main armament at 11.0. Even the Mig-29 can only carry the R-60M. And still, your comparison is accurate but not for the reason you think. In a dogfight or 3rd party scenario, any R-60 kill could have also been achieved by an AIM-9J.
yeah i dont have R60M in my inventory rn. thinking of getting it next sale if 21 lazur is on sale. it does absolutely done me dirty with ppl that goes 3rd party instead of using it as divine smite though. so point still stand.
You want trash missile to trash missile comparison right? i gave you one. want to compare it with what now? 9G? doesn’t exist in fighter that isn’t naval. 9H? 12.0 missile.
9J, relative to 9.7 - 11.7 US plane is the main missile like R60M is at 10.7 above. maybe you forgot that 9.7 has rear aspect R-60 so it fills the same niche as “main missile” like 9J? just because USA doesn’t develop all-aspect AIM-9J doesn’t mean it doesn’t fill the same position as R-60M.
Maybe if WT changes every single AIM-9J above 10.7 to AIM-9J1 that they further fake to AIM-9P4 / Diehl’s AIM-9Juli (they faked KH-38MT into existence, faking an AAM shouldn’t be that bad), the “R-60M bad” advocate will see just how dogshit both faction missile are.
dont have one. have been killed too many times by their carrier for too many time from the side though. that’s how I know people don’t use it as smiting rod.
