J-10C Vigorous Dragon, Chinese competion at the top.

To be honest, Gaijin should really equip Chinese tech tree aircraft with new missiles. After the J-10C leak, Gaijin claimed the missiles were “too overpowered.” They said the same thing last time about the CM502KG, a Fire-and-Forget helicopter missile that has terrible damage against light armored targets. I’m not sure what Gaijin is referring to—the PL-15? With a range of 145-200 km, it would indeed be beyond the current game’s scope. However, China has the PL-12AE, which is comparable to the in-game R-77-1 and AIM-120C5/C7. Its range of around 120 km is perfectly suitable for new Chinese aircraft and wouldn’t be overpowered .

The seeker dome of the PL-12A and its export variant, the PL-12AE.

Actually, the twin medium-range missiles carried under the fuselage of the J-10CE at the 2024 Zhuhai Airshow were also PL-12AEs .

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This Pakistani brochure took all of its data from the J-10C Wikipedia article. The 9750 kg empty weight figure on the Wikipedia article comes from this 2007 article that predates the J-10C. The J-10C is NOT 9750 kg, this figure was originally thrown around for the J-10A and is extremely inaccurate. We do not know where the Pakistani brochure comes from either but we do know that the airshow hosts or whoever made it took all of their info from the Wikipedia article and even made several typos such as the MTOW being incorrectly listed as 42,499 lb when their source (Wikipedia) states 42,388 lb.

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Yeah I’ve realized that now, talked about it on the j10 thread in the aircraft section of this site. J10c will be a beast now (assuming it’s around 8600 kg)

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Yeah, I’d expect it to be around 8.6 - 8.8 tons. Regardless of whether it gets the AL-31FN Series 3 or WS-10B both engines produce significantly more thrust than the current one.

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Additionally, the erroneous empty weight has fortunately been removed from Wikipedia recently for citing an invalid source. However, the damage is already done and a lot of publications still use this weight and take it for granted.

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Here’s some calculation.

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At last, very nice to see this, PL-15 too.

Ain’t no way they add the PL-15… if they do it’s gonna be nerfed so bad

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yep, but it should still be better than everything else, assuming they dont add meteor/amraam-d/c-8

Pretty sure the PL-15 stuff is real if you think about it. PL-10 and PL-17 placeholder file names have been in the game files for a while, but they just randomly add an inferior missile file out of nowhere?

If this is real, my bet is it’s just gonna be an amraamer amraam: longer theorical range and even more nerfed on everything else

Yeah my expectations are somewhat low. Chat says its effective range against a maneuvering fighter is pretty low. 40-70km. Can still launch almost immediately after spawning lol.

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In other words, isn’t AAM installed on the D pylon, let alone the E pylon? It’s a pretty weird TEMU EFT.

How does that compare to the PL-12? Isn’t the PL-12 already a amraam equivalent?

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If you mean PL-15, its maximum tail-aspect launch range under standard conditions (at 10,000 meters altitude and Mach 1.2) exceeds the dimensions of any existing in-game map.

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  1. PL-12 in game is rigged, so it little bit problematic to compare.
  2. PL-15 should have no escape zone of like 30-35kms, while in-game FOX3s have like 15kms

Oh alright, but I assume it would be nerfed like most arh missiles?

What?

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Well, there are no missiles in the fuselage after all?

Speaking of j10c, I believe Chinese aircraft can also be equipped with the new electro-optical targeting pod — the 鹰隼-ⅢA (Yings-IIIA) .



Its basic data:

Dimensions:

Length: < 2700 mm

Diameter: < 406 mm

Weight: < 280 kg

What I particularly want to mention is the resolution of the infrared thermal imager: 1280×1024.

Currently, the maximum thermal imaging resolution for targeting pods in the game is 1200×800.

The following is the basic data screenshot from the Yings-ⅢA (PS: There was originally a QR code linking to a website, but the site seems to be down now, possibly due to an expired domain or unpaid fees).



Here is additional information: The YINGS-ⅢA has both high and low configuration versions. The model displayed at the 2024 Zhuhai Airshow that I photographed was the high-end configuration (left side of the image shows low configuration, right side shows high configuration).

The image indicates that the high-configuration YINGS-ⅢA has both infrared and TV detection ranges ≥70km/55km respectively, maximum laser ranging distance of 70km (using 1.067μm wavelength), and laser illumination/lock-on tracking distance ≥30km.

In the photo below, we can see from the actual footage on the right side of the HUD that the YINGS-ⅢA has locked onto a target 21.88 km away.

As a new-generation pod, it is compatible with almost all Chinese combat aircraft, including the J-10C/E, JF-17, FTC-2000G, L-15, Chinese Flanker, and even the Su-30. lol


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