Italy Tech tree changes

[_loky]

yes but this is off topic we are talking about italy and the not necessary sub tech tree of hungary for my opinion

[Pipimer]

no you said that removing the subT would make the game unique again, and its false, and it is necessary as a subtree

[_loky]

for me no becouse not so much we have an a new battle tank in like in long time and it this one imbt

and after this i dont think we need a sub tech tree that will go for another direction of tank while we have an a onw direction

[Pipimer]

we know absolutely nothing about this thing and if i am not wrong Italy has order or planning to order Leopards 2A8

[_loky]

It didn’t happen due to licensing issues, or something like that. and i think same for let work italy industries

[Pipimer]

also Hungry is necessary to the air TT as well (not to mention that in the air TT is also full of c&p)

[EstrogenPnZr-psn]

Italy has indeed ordered the Leopard 2A8

[_loky]

I’m sticking to my guns on this: if I want to play those units, I have to go through their tech trees—even if the planes are inferior. It feels like a “hard mode” for air-to-air combat. In my opinion, these aircraft belong in matches with fewer players—like 4v4 or 5v5—rather than the current setup where it just comes down to who has more countermeasures or missiles. But anyway, to me, it just feels like a way to drag things out and bore you to death; I’m going to have to grind through unlocking units I don’t even like or want, and it’s going to be an absolute drag.

[Gridt]

The heck you mean not moving the C13 T90 down

[EstrogenPnZr-psn]

Don’t have experience with it and my post was mostly about folders copy paste vehicles, but please feel free to share why you think a vehicle should be lowered, I’m all ears

[YaSen]

@_loky

leo1a2 without a stabilizer, when in reality it had one

That’s just not true for Italian 1A2. Their 1A2s didn’t have stabilizers, this is exactly what makes it a bit unique, just like Italian M60A1.

@_loky

ont knw for the m109

There is even an Italian variant called M109L upgraded by Oto Melara.

M109-l

poll General Info The story of the M109 begins during the late stages of the Cold War, it would be designed due to a need from the American army to completely replace their aging fleet of M44 self-propelled howitzers. The American army wanted several improvements from the last vehicle they wanted to replace, mainly they wanted the new vehicle to be somewhat mobile and have a bigger caliber. The M109 was equipped with a diesel engine, which although it would prove to give less output compared to…

@EstrogenPnZr-psn

Tigris → it should be a tech tree vehicle instead of the M26A1 alongside the Hungarian operated Panthers, granted this won’t ever happen but Gaijin could add the varius Hungarian prototypes based on the Tiger and Panther, if their prototypes where even partially built.

We can still have Hungarian IS-2 in the regular tree, although unfortunately according to Smin, devs don’t think that a lack of the regular tree heavy tank is an important issue.

@EstrogenPnZr-psn

M3A3 Stuart → foldered under the AB 43, both are 2.7 and do the same thing, let’s give priority to actually Italian vehicles in their tech tree

Or add this thing and folder M3A3 with it)

M2A1 Halftrack (M20 recoiless rifle)

poll General Info After the second world war, Italy was pretty much left without a complete or fully equipped army, so a series of re-armament programs begun. This was due to how Italy was not actually under occupation from the allies, due to their efforts at the end of WW2 to join the allies and fight alongside them in high numbers. Italy was treated differently and due to a rising enemy known as the soviet union and the beginning of the cold war, the US and many of its allies seeked as much m…

PS I made some theoretical TT in the past (needs rework though)

@EstrogenPnZr-psn

M44 → foldered with the M55, these two are essentially the same thing and there’s no need to have them separated

Definitely

@EstrogenPnZr-psn

M109G → foldered with the 2S1, both are howitzers that do the exact same thing

Imo mixing Cold War Hungarian/Romanian and Italian vehicles into the same line is a rather bad idea. 2S1 can be foldered with Panther, which was used by both Hungary (WW2) and Romania (postwar).

[YaSen]

The plan to aquire 2A8s was canceled towards KF-51 and its derivative NMBT (IMBT), because KNDS wouldn’t allow to put Leonardo equipment instead of German one, unlike Rheinmetall.

Leonardo - Rheinmetall NMBT (New Main Battle Tank)

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Back in 2022, when the Russo-Ukrainian war broke out, among the various nations of Western Europe, Italy understood that high intensity war was not just something that faded away after the collapse of the Soviet Union and the end of the Cold War but a part of modern reality that couldn’t have just been overlooked. Thus, alongside most of Europe’s nations, the Italian government allocated a significan…

I recommend to check Italian suggestion list, people do a lot of work in the Italian community to gather information.

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Btw I can give you a link of WT-ITA discord if you’re interested.

[_loky]

I got confused and thought we had it, because the Leo 1A2 base is there, but for reasons known only to the government they cut it. my bad

@YaSen

That’s just not true for Italian 1A2

[_loky]

@YaSen

PS I made some theoretical TT in the past (needs rework though)

yeah is bit old for ex replacing the Gepard for the atak35 the draco can be foldered with the otomatic or can be lower the pzh instead of the palmaria at 7.7 now is 6.7 is perfect really enjoyed

[YaSen]

@_loky

Gepard for the atak35 the draco can be foldered with the otomatic or can be lower the

Draco is unlikely to come as its turret wasn’t fully functional (although there are some chances).
Atak35 is in the tree under the name OF-40 PRTL, Gepard-R is Romanian Gepard with domestic missiles attached)

Gepard-R - Romanian improvement

poll [p1010029] Hello, I would like to suggest an unusual modification of originally German SPAAG system known as Gepard. This modification was made for Romania and included domestically produced CA-94M surface-to-air missiles launchers developed from CA-94, Romanian license-built Soviet 9K32 Strela-2 variant. Such combination was called Gepard-R. Flugabwehrkanonenpanzer (Flakpanzer) Gepard was developed between 1960s and 1970s in Germany as a replacement for outdated M42 Duster SPAAGs, firs…

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@EstrogenPnZr-psn

i never asked for any vehicle to be remove just foldered, I really don’t understand where this comes from

Your “I’m fine with this” was a response to a post with a mock-up of Italian Tech Tree with vehicles removed - not foldered.

[LelutooDS]

Wouldn’t mind seeing the P40 moved up to rank III tbh, i support them two being foldered if this happens.

[EstrogenPnZr-psn]

Please no more IS-2s i don’t wonna play that thing ever again… Besieds, why wouldn’t the M109G and 2S1 be foldered together? They are the exact same thing… sure different countries but that doesn’t matter just before the M41M is foldered with a StuG III. It just forces you to okay two HE slingers which i personally don’t like playing… Putting them together also reduces the grind for someone who actually wants to play them

[EstrogenPnZr-psn]

Yeah, I’m fine with it because it achieves the same thing that i want but i don’t want it… there is no reason why Gaijin would or should remove those vehicles, Italy used them so they should be here… i just want to give priority to indigenous vehicles, that’s just a more extreme way to do it

[YaSen]

@EstrogenPnZr-psn

Besieds, why wouldn’t the M109G and 2S1 be foldered together?

I personally don’t like it, plus these two are also completely different designs, apart from being from 2 opposite blocks. 2S1 actually plays very differently, since its HE isn’t that good, while HEAT shell helps a lot. It feels more like a light tank or tank destroyer than a classic big gun SPH.
Plus other M109 variants can come later, like mentioned M109L.

@EstrogenPnZr-psn

sure different countries but that doesn’t matter just before the M41M is foldered with a StuG III.

Don’t get it… they were both used by Italian forces.

@EstrogenPnZr-psn

Please no more IS-2s i don’t wonna play that thing ever again…

Well, I vice versa love them and I think Hungary can have at least one of them represented, while also finally bringing a regular heavy tank to the tech tree.