how else would stuff like YAH-64 be added then?
I have zero ideas about helicopters, but:
If it’s actually useful, why not a premium or TT?
Is it some weird contraption that has zero relevance or use to Warthunder but is satisfying from a historical or gimmick/collector pov? Sure, go to squadron.
There is already premium US apache.
There is also a tt counterpart (sort of) which is AH-64A
It is prototype of AH-64, carries hellfires so it’s not that bad
Foldered TT or another premium apache.
I see “similar design with slightly different weapons or engine” appear a few times across WW2 tiers so don’t see that as a deal breaker for premiums.
Premium is far worse as we seen with the Finnish 109 they can adjust the when and where they please for events
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Struggling to understand the complaint.
Premium gives you: Efficient research, increased sl and RP rewards.
At prop tiers it’s not that significant, but starting rank 4 it does get significant.
Squadron gives you none of that. Squadron just forces you to pay GE if you want the vehicle in a reasonable time frame - you can’t even no-life sweaty progamer high skill grind it out over a weekend - which you theoretically can for TT vehicles.
Indeed, that’s a real money paywall. Well, it’s not as bad as the unattanable vehicles that are events, tho it’s getting there, with premiums costing 100+ dollars nowadays.
I even made a best to worse list earlier for additions to WT, with free, bing near the top and locked behind Paywales near the bottom.
Ok
P-51 Mustang pack cost me £ 25 with it 1,000 GE and 15 day premium.
Finnish 109 shoved into a pack for their holiday and was at £ 28 with no extra GE or premium time.
Realistically it should of been around £15 or had the missing 1,500 GE and 15 day premium time.
Gaijin used that aircraft to boost the price of the Finnish air forces pack up.
Again: premium plane has efficient research, SL and RP boosts. the SL boost is significant whenever you play it.
Squadron vehicle has none of that.
Squadron vehicle, for a squadron like mine that’s more vibes and messing around in a discord than grinding, takes 221 days to unlock one that costs 500k research. 128 days for a 300k research one.
Regardless if it’s in a TT I unlocked everything in.
Regardless if it’s in a TT I havn’t ever touched.
Regardless if I go MLG pro and do 50 games with 4+ kills each for 100% RP reward and get optimal activity:time played each saturday and sunday.
Regardless if I suicide myself in a head-on into a missile.
I have absolutely zero means to increase research speed beyond ditching the good vibes squadron for a grind one… which will roughly double the research speed. That’s awful game design for what are supposed to be communities of like-minded players.
Oh, I also have the option to pay the same amount of money as an actual premium vehicle for no added benefit.
If it’s tech tree, then I have full control over how fast to research it - if it’s in a TT I have already unlocked, it’s fast. If it’s in a TT I never touched, it’s slow. I can go sweaty MLG Dendi (hypothethically, spherical cows and all that) and grind out 10K RP per game and get it in 50 games. I can absolutely suck and get it in 500 games where I head-on suicide the first enemy I see.
If it’s premium, I’d pay money like I already would have to for reasonable timeframe unlock AND get some legitimate economic advantages.
If it’s squadron… I get nothing.
Squadron is good for weird collectors things that exist for sake of being looked at and joyrides.
In fact, I’d love if all TT vehicles had a premium “shadow” copy. A premium horten would be amazing in my books - it’d actually be affordable to fly for PvP in ASB! I’d get it.
Ok do you have access to your own money by chance ?
Also I forgot to give my support to the main post so here it is. +1 hopefully Italy gets one soon.
After all, Squadron Vehicles are effectively(equivalent to) premiums for FTP players. After all not everyone is a whale wanting to spend real money on the game.
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Yes, and I hate that if I want a plane that has good SL income, I must pick weird prototypes that don’t interest me or fly a captured/lend-lease vehicle that will just annoy my team and my enemy. Some planes don’t have any premium variants for decent SL income (F9F, F2H-2, Horten).
even I know £64 is way too much but that guy is asking over £1,000 in premiums already on top off current ones
Like this update alone in pre order pack is close to £ 500 so 1,000 may be a bit light
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Except… not related to premiums at all…
Is it 2017? Or 2025? unless you mean sim specifically… rb hasnt had a nation matchmaker in years
They’re not premiums.
They give you zero benefit. You make the same SL% and same RP%. Maybe a tiny bit better than TT but inconsequential compared to a real premium.
A4E skyhawk (9.3) : 1530 sl/min (Squadron)
F3H-2 (9.3): 1530 sl/min (TT)
A2D-1 (7.0, couldnt find a 9.3): 2790 SL/min.
Why in the world would I ever spend E on A4E, why in the world would I ever leave my squadron for a grind squadron to get the A4E when it gives me zero economic benefit for being obnoxiously difficult to unlock (some 150 days?)?
In fact, want funny?
P-51-D20 (5.0): 2410 SL/min.
The 5.0 premium gets significantly more SL/min over the squadron skyhawk. The squadron skyhawk costs 13.4k to spawn. The P-51D20 costs 5.2k.
SB, since general thread and SB is the main reason I want premium variants of TT planes - literal 1:1 copy paste.
Just look at how much SL the 7.0 plane makes/spawn compared to the 9.3 planes.
Free to play player. Maybe read, I know for one the SP/RP thing doesn’t matter to them.
Someone who’ll never spend any money on this game, and you’d rather them never be able to play the vehicle because it must be looked behind 100+ dollars for just the vehicle.
Also, did you know you don’t need to buy all vehicles?
I just want a premium F4U-4 in the american tech tree. Or even F4U-1 and call it “Pappy’s black sheep.” or something like that. I don’t want to buy anything else (maybe also a premium horten because that thing is interesting but impossible to afford flying)
Add it as tech tree then. Not squadron.
My ideal design is all unique aircraft with viability that are reasonable to balance are tech tree. Then have 1:1 copy paste in the same nation as premiums for grind/economy boosts.
Weird things that are impossible to balance, exist solely for collectors and joyriding go to squadrons. Why? Because if not in TT and not a premium, gaijin doesn’t have to balance the vehicle to be viable so you don’t end up with a 4.0 F117 or something absurd like that since the F117 is so useless, it’d keep going down in BR as a premium or TT vehicle.
I don’t fully agree. They also allow side grades, and other planes that don’t necessarily fit into the TT, such as the Su-33, Su-22M4, F-5E FCU, SHar FRS.1, Jf-17, and the Me-262.
All of those planes deserve a place, but they don’t necessarily fit into the TT in some way. The Su-33, Su-22, SHar, and F-5E are all modifications of TT planes with some tradeoffs, and the Me-262/Jf-17 don’t need to be TT IMO.
I’d rather have something be gated behind 4 months of casual play than an entire TT.
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