just go to squadron menu, click on “Hide without auto-accept applications”, click through the list, find a half decent one that isnt full, and join it
This is what I mean, but with better wording. Especially the last parts
idk, some of them just make more sense as squadron vehicles than tech tree. i dont have anything against solid squadron vehicles
If they’re viable vehicles and not just interesting things that exist but don’t have a real use - then you’re essentially selling a premium without premium benefits.
Reason is that they take an absurdly long time to unlock with no real, viable ways to speed it up. Furthermore, if they are viable then a negative incentive is made against players forming squadrons with buddies with emphasis for vibes as large squadrons are a neccessity to get sufficient research per cycle.
how else would stuff like YAH-64 be added then?
I have zero ideas about helicopters, but:
If it’s actually useful, why not a premium or TT?
Is it some weird contraption that has zero relevance or use to Warthunder but is satisfying from a historical or gimmick/collector pov? Sure, go to squadron.
There is already premium US apache.
There is also a tt counterpart (sort of) which is AH-64A
It is prototype of AH-64, carries hellfires so it’s not that bad
Foldered TT or another premium apache.
I see “similar design with slightly different weapons or engine” appear a few times across WW2 tiers so don’t see that as a deal breaker for premiums.
Premium is far worse as we seen with the Finnish 109 they can adjust the when and where they please for events
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Struggling to understand the complaint.
Premium gives you: Efficient research, increased sl and RP rewards.
At prop tiers it’s not that significant, but starting rank 4 it does get significant.
Squadron gives you none of that. Squadron just forces you to pay GE if you want the vehicle in a reasonable time frame - you can’t even no-life sweaty progamer high skill grind it out over a weekend - which you theoretically can for TT vehicles.
Indeed, that’s a real money paywall. Well, it’s not as bad as the unattanable vehicles that are events, tho it’s getting there, with premiums costing 100+ dollars nowadays.
I even made a best to worse list earlier for additions to WT, with free, bing near the top and locked behind Paywales near the bottom.
Ok
P-51 Mustang pack cost me £ 25 with it 1,000 GE and 15 day premium.
Finnish 109 shoved into a pack for their holiday and was at £ 28 with no extra GE or premium time.
Realistically it should of been around £15 or had the missing 1,500 GE and 15 day premium time.
Gaijin used that aircraft to boost the price of the Finnish air forces pack up.
Again: premium plane has efficient research, SL and RP boosts. the SL boost is significant whenever you play it.
Squadron vehicle has none of that.
Squadron vehicle, for a squadron like mine that’s more vibes and messing around in a discord than grinding, takes 221 days to unlock one that costs 500k research. 128 days for a 300k research one.
Regardless if it’s in a TT I unlocked everything in.
Regardless if it’s in a TT I havn’t ever touched.
Regardless if I go MLG pro and do 50 games with 4+ kills each for 100% RP reward and get optimal activity:time played each saturday and sunday.
Regardless if I suicide myself in a head-on into a missile.
I have absolutely zero means to increase research speed beyond ditching the good vibes squadron for a grind one… which will roughly double the research speed. That’s awful game design for what are supposed to be communities of like-minded players.
Oh, I also have the option to pay the same amount of money as an actual premium vehicle for no added benefit.
If it’s tech tree, then I have full control over how fast to research it - if it’s in a TT I have already unlocked, it’s fast. If it’s in a TT I never touched, it’s slow. I can go sweaty MLG Dendi (hypothethically, spherical cows and all that) and grind out 10K RP per game and get it in 50 games. I can absolutely suck and get it in 500 games where I head-on suicide the first enemy I see.
If it’s premium, I’d pay money like I already would have to for reasonable timeframe unlock AND get some legitimate economic advantages.
If it’s squadron… I get nothing.
Squadron is good for weird collectors things that exist for sake of being looked at and joyrides.
In fact, I’d love if all TT vehicles had a premium “shadow” copy. A premium horten would be amazing in my books - it’d actually be affordable to fly for PvP in ASB! I’d get it.
Ok do you have access to your own money by chance ?
Also I forgot to give my support to the main post so here it is. +1 hopefully Italy gets one soon.
After all, Squadron Vehicles are effectively(equivalent to) premiums for FTP players. After all not everyone is a whale wanting to spend real money on the game.
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Yes, and I hate that if I want a plane that has good SL income, I must pick weird prototypes that don’t interest me or fly a captured/lend-lease vehicle that will just annoy my team and my enemy. Some planes don’t have any premium variants for decent SL income (F9F, F2H-2, Horten).
even I know £64 is way too much but that guy is asking over £1,000 in premiums already on top off current ones
Like this update alone in pre order pack is close to £ 500 so 1,000 may be a bit light
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Except… not related to premiums at all…
Is it 2017? Or 2025? unless you mean sim specifically… rb hasnt had a nation matchmaker in years
They’re not premiums.
They give you zero benefit. You make the same SL% and same RP%. Maybe a tiny bit better than TT but inconsequential compared to a real premium.
A4E skyhawk (9.3) : 1530 sl/min (Squadron)
F3H-2 (9.3): 1530 sl/min (TT)
A2D-1 (7.0, couldnt find a 9.3): 2790 SL/min.
Why in the world would I ever spend E on A4E, why in the world would I ever leave my squadron for a grind squadron to get the A4E when it gives me zero economic benefit for being obnoxiously difficult to unlock (some 150 days?)?
In fact, want funny?
P-51-D20 (5.0): 2410 SL/min.
The 5.0 premium gets significantly more SL/min over the squadron skyhawk. The squadron skyhawk costs 13.4k to spawn. The P-51D20 costs 5.2k.
SB, since general thread and SB is the main reason I want premium variants of TT planes - literal 1:1 copy paste.
Just look at how much SL the 7.0 plane makes/spawn compared to the 9.3 planes.