HOSBO integration and numbers were iffy at best.
Yet I’ve supported for the Tornado to have them and to have a lot of them even though there weren’t many sources that indicated the implementation on all the hardpoints, but that’s beside the point.
Again, how is Italy getting 2 Leos screwing up Germany?
Like, do you need to put down Italy to have a good german TT?
The answer is no, you need more of the tank you’ve made, for that, please go to Gaijin.
Something something someone shouldn’t have sold tanks that they don’t want to see in other WT nations
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Btw Spain would have been a very cool sub tech tree to have. Fully agree with it being more in line and more fitting.
Literally this
Have you ever seen german tree? Yeah they dont have any export model and prototype uparmored leopard 2 in their tree, the only export varian that getting added is the one that been used by other country (2a4m can, 2pl), maybe it is gaijin policy to not give germany any export model and prototype uparmored leopard 2, if that the case, then giving leo 2e to italy will reduce german ability to get more uparmored leo 2 outside of its in service vehicle, which is only 2a8 left if that the case, and with greece and singapore confirmed(ish for singapore) going to israel, the only choice for in service uparmored leo2 that is not in anyone subtree that germany can get is only spain leo 2e
In contrast italy can get 2 kf51 from italy and hungary, and possibly 2a8 from romania
If gaijin started adding prototype and export model uparmored leo 2 to germany in sufficient number then i will start to support spain going to Italy
So we are on the same page, nice.
The good about Spain is that it will have more WW2 equipments, Turkry on the other side more modern equipments.
Spain ww2 is also lacking, there are very few “unique” vehicles like the couple the verdejas, the rest are just german, early soviet like t26 and bt7 and some american, and most of those are like rank 1 vehicles.
In my humble opinion, the Italian subtree should have consisted of Spain and Portugal. Hungary has a handicap, it offers practically nothing in the naval department, and aside from the Leo2A7, it offers nothing significant. To be honest, I don’t like the Hungarian/Soviet vehicles, they’re not suited to my playstyle.
So lets just ignore kf41. How italy itself is building their whole light fleet around kf41 variants.
Lets ignore the gripen that italy got , the tiger and more.
The osa and strela specialy didnt help italian spaa line at all
You are a joke if you claim hungary added nothing to italy.
You all hate on hungary for the sake of hating it, cause u dont get your way.
Did you take into account some decompression when making the BR of the Spanish Hornets? Because in the current game the EF-18A, EF-18A+ and EF-18M would be 12.3, 12.7 and 14.0 respectively
What a horrible position. “Anyone who doesn’t want Spain or Turkey is a bad actor”.*Or atleast “we can only fix the TT by having Spain or Turkey and if anyone else doesn’t want that, they’re a bad actor.” Italy doesn’t need Spain or Turkey as a subtree, when they have Romania and Hungary right there. They just need them to be better implemented. Especially when Turkey alone has the potential to be the same size as the Italian TT without subtrees (atleast in ground).
The KF41 only has four Spikes (which don’t work) the Freccia at least has eight at a lower BR, instead of the Gripen I can use Typhoons, I haven’t played with heavy tanks for a long time, I prefer mobility, I don’t even play with SPAGGs to that BR, I always prefer to play with MBTs and light vehicles.
I took in account the possibility of giving them the AIM-9JuLi.
An IRCCM Juliet.
This is why there isn’t a neither button, the only ones that are against are those who don’t play the ITT and don’t want to spend 2min researching what the current subtrees can offer.
Ah alright, though all top tier jets can have newer missiles (like aim9x) so it doesn’t really make sense to speculate brs already
Yeah modern missiles are on their way, that’s also why I’ve put the EF-18M really high.
So… ask for them to be better implemented? Italy doesn’t need Spain or Turkey. It has two subtrees, expand on those subtrees. Asking for another subtree is a stupid idea. I may not main Italy but I wouldn’t be asking for a Singaporean subtree for Japan because there’s nothing between 9.7-11.7 in ground, I’d be asking for expansion on the current subtrees that Japan has.
The difference here is that Japan(read as “and its subtrees”) has more stuff to add there, Italy doesn’t.
Excuse me? My argument was: “the hungarian tree alone will not help to close the capability gaps Italy has in the middle ranks (up until rank VI)”. How is this influenced by what happens at top tier?
Besides, both tech tree options use various substantial modification to import designs. This obviously isn’t like a completely new tank, but some modifications can differ from the original quite a lot (I don’t think the TR-85 M1 will play much like a T55) and thus making them an interesting addition.
But you’re right, if left at their own work, Gaijin will only add copy past vehicles like it has done since… the hungarian sub tree? Was this the last sub tree to get more than 1 original vehicle?
These are the kind of accasion to show them we want actual new vehicles or real modifications. If we just go “muh Gaijin cannot be trusted to change anything” like the community did with the APHE rework we will never see any positive changes to the game: we will just see the orrible things they will eventually roll out anyway (like the damage controll for naval which was luckily made optional last minute).
Looks like you’ve already spoke with Emir about this.
I still think Turkey has major issues, as would Spain. Romania has enough vehicles to make the Italian tree good, as does Hungary. I can’t say much about Spain because I don’t know much about it, but condensing all of Turkey into a 4th Line on the Italian tree is a stupid idea that doesn’t fix the Italian tree, nor does it benefit Turkish players. So to say that the only way to fix it is adding those two and that any other opinion is of bad actors is really bad way to put it. Or even saying that “the only ones that are against are those who don’t play the ITT and don’t want to spend 2min researching what the current subtrees can offer.” when I’m actively against it and know exactly what Romania and Hungary can add.