I didn’t look at its specs in a while but I remember it having a 10sec autoloader. Should have an LRF too, considering it was a late-90s or early 2000s development.
EDIT: oops, my bad, turns out it’s actually from 2012!
Well 10 sec loading time isnt exactly pzh2000 like (its the main feature).
The M48 is an Israeli M48 captured by Syria and sent to the USSR. I have a suggestion for it written up but idk if I want to submit it. Theres little on it.
Again, I don’t remember much about it or how much of the autoloader is fully automated. I do generally dislike how Gaijin tries to make vehicles in different nations exactly the same in order to justify people not needing to grind other countries to experience many vehicle types as an excuse to not make the grind easier (something something “we see every tech tree as its own game”).
The M109I7 will most likely be moderately worse than the PzH-2000 and it makes perfect sense considering it was significantly cheaper, and that’s fine by me as it’ll make it into a unique SPH. Also btw, it should have access to the V-LAP rocket-propelled HE shell.
It is the armor. The PA’s chosen config was maximum armor (I believe STANAG lvl6) but without the more advanced systems like Iron Fist. They did take a COAPS-L commander optic tho, but idk what gunner optic.
Guess it should be similar to the dutch one.
TAM 2IP is not a vehicle, it is an armor package for TAM tanks meant to complement the 2C upgrade. It was a private proposal by IMI for the army.
It is not a different tank, it is simply a TAM with armor. Each armor piece has its own serial number and is also compatible with the 2C (as mentioned, it was a complementary proposal).
Like this
Elbit markets it as Iron Wall.
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M4 (M-50 Isherman?) 122 K60: A Joint Finnish-Israeli project. Which is extend the lifespan of the M4’s by turning them into SPG’s. This project eventually became the L33 Ro’em. The gun that the Ro’em’s used were heavily based on the K-60 & K-68.
There was another gun that was evaluated iirc
You might be referring to the Soviet ML-20, which was also tested on the Ro’em chassis. BTW, notice I said ML-20 and not ML-20S; that’s the original artillery cannon, not the tank-optimized version.
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Please never use that name ever again. It’s M-50. The regular tanks were M-50 Degem Alef and M-50 Degem Bet for the VVSS+petrol engine and HVSS+diesel engine versions, respectively, and M-50 TOMAT for the artillery tank version with the French 155mm (which also had a similar distinction of suspension and engine combos, but didn’t get Alef and Bet seperations so we distinct them with 1964 and 1968 designations)
The image shows the prototype of what would eventually become the L-33 Ro’em, which used a 155mm domestic Israeli howitzer, the Soltam M-68 L-33. Just to clarify this prototype indeed uses a 122mm made by Finland’s Tampella.
Yeah this was the other I was thinking about
It’s been a while but if I remember correctly someone had posted an image which mentioned the Israeli army attempted to return the Gun after trials but Finland didn’t want it and a museum was contacted and also denied the gun.
I do have the ammo specs for the K60 and K68 from Finland and honestly would love to see all the prototype and production artillery Sherman’s.
@AspandaIV @ofekk213 actually that’s two Sherman’s with the Finnish 122K60 and the Finnish 155KAN68 aka the M-68, Soltam M-68 is just the Israeli designation and that Sherman is in Latroun Armored Musuem today.
Looks like Israel also went as far as to make a moving turret with the M-68 but experienced a terrible event during the test fire leading to some changes being done to future guns…
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I have more info but I don’t wish to clog up the forum and take away from the other vehicles people have posted so apologies
Oh, that’s actually amazing! So the M-68 is largely based on the 155KAN68. Good to notice the different muzzle brakes on the bunker turret cannon and the actual 155mm howitzer.
Also, in the image showing the bunker turret, that barrel attachment looks awfully similar. I suspect it’s the radar velocity measurer which we first saw on the Sholef V1. Back when it was added to the game, many people wrongfully claimed the laser rangefinder was actually a radar gun velocity measuring unit, but we found this image and this thing looks a lot more like a radar.
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Long read, went and closed it up so its not just a long chain to scroll past
usammenhængende dansk plapren
The turret was planned to go into a full chassis as seen here and developed into the M-72 (that turret that I posted was from the failed gun firing test resulting in the deaths of everyone in the turret.)
But again the plan was dropped after the test firing killed all crew members. Going forward Tampella would change the gasket on future guns in case they were planned to be installed a turret iirc Tampella had warned the IDF against such a thing but was ignored which caused the deaths of 3 crewmen.
Also apologies for the long waited reply I was banned from the Forums for a bit
Interesting to note the Soltem M-68 manual actually has an image of the 155KAN68 and says that it’s on the sand but that image is actually on the shore of Lake Näsijärvi in Finland, wonder if it’s a translation error or something
The man btw is named Harri Arra so idk why the Israeli manual states this is anywhere but Finland lol.
I’ll try to find some more info iirc there’s a few other obscure prototypes with Finland and Israel as they actually had a surprising amount of cooperation throughout the years.
This is the note of transfer of the 122K60 to Israel
As for the M-72 drawings and specs for armored howitzers are still available via Tampellas old records alongside other images of the M-72
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Also to be more specific the M-68 is just a different name for the 155KAN68
To my knowledge no domestic changes were done by the IDF(during this time) as Tampella handled all changes, different barrels, different hydraulics, sights, breach gaskets, everything was handled by Tampella for the IDF for the most part.
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Thank you so much for this detailed information! Do we have any info on armor specs? From what I’ve gathered, the M-72 Ro’esh is somehow heavier than a regular Centurion Mk.5, so its armor should probably be of similar capability, perhaps?
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I’ll ask some of my friends, if not next time I’m in Finland I’ll see if any local libraries hold some info from Tampella
