How so?
I mean Leopard didn’t have the crews sit on top
of ammunition in most of the case (Bring 16 rounds) with spall liner it obvious gonna have more survivability because it was designed that ways
And I never denied up armored Leopard are better than Russians but it pretty much the only tanks that can play the game in Russian term no problem and you can see average maps in top tier map these days you probably see why i said Russian tanks vs up armored leopard are fair game compare to Russian vs other i mean yeah with the maps these days tanks like T-tanks and uparmored Leopard both the the only two tanks that had comfortable times other? not so much
Aside from SU34’s PESA radar SMT has the best radar you can find on Russian Jets.
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american pilots had to go through the trouble of… flying below 100m to neutralize r27r, which was apparently game breaking imbalance (in favor of ussr)
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BVM was never as strong as 2A7s are today, as it had a lot of flaws (even crippling ones) that you have to work around. As far as I’m concerned, 2A7s biggest flaw is what, NATO hump ?
@Panther2995
Being better than shitty ones doesn’t necessarily make it good.
As I said, HMD is aggravatingly inconsistent, locking things that it should never be able to lock. I’ve had enemies dead center of my reticle coming right at me from 7-8kms away, but it somehow locked someone else that wasn’t even in the reticle. Actual monitor spitting moment.
TWS is also of no use as BVR in that crapbox is a suicide mission.
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Some people think balance is achieved only when RU stuff is sub-par in every category, otherwise it’s biased and whatnot.
And it will never be but at least BVM against Uparmored Leopard are fairer game than BVM against other western tanks in average close combat of WT
too bad that what Leopard 2 are the more they upgrade the less flaw they become plus in the game Leopard 2 are the cripple version of it compared to real life
which mean there is nothing left of it to be nerf when it already worse version of itself.
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I was going to run a series of tests myself playing both the 2a7vs (German and Swedish variants) and in the Abrams (SEP and M1a2 base).
In addition to some hanger protection analysis screenies I’d be recording
1: shots on Abrams and Leopard 2a7v with the opposite respective tank, frontally and from other angles since side and rear shots are hardly uncommon, this would help test the survivability statement on both tanks. 50±10 reps each (probably won’t need many reps to conclude rear shots are lethal to both).
2: Custom battles to put my own mobility claims to the test, to simulate which tank can reach an advantageous position fastest I would be racing each tank to a cap point on a specific map from the same precise starting location.
Let me know if you have anything else you’d like to add to the methodology for my tests.
The reason why I’m controlling for players by making it all come from myself, is that I wish to control for all variables that aren’t the tanks themselves, because I believe American players on average are just worse than Swedish, German, and Italian players at top tiers, especially Sweden and Italy. And I assume you’d at least mostly agree
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sounds like decent enough experiment for it.
You can yap anything you want about standardized tests and stuff, but showing your animosity at first towards a playergroup only leads me to believe that you’ll eventually tweak anything you may see as a proper disadvantage of the M1 series to deny its existence.
Renzo may agree to your terms, but as a foreigner to the conversation, I think you’ll find a way to keep your claims with the sense of confidence over basically cherrypicked evidence.
Actually SMT’s radar is very good if you compare to other top tiers, it has quite good scanning speed, really good tracking angles and multiple mode options.
Its far from bein average or trash.
That problem occurs on almost anything.
I have every single top tier jet, including EFT and Rafale and they also do that kind of things from time to time, especially EFT.
I disagree, that TWS is insanely good and gives you very good situational awareness against your enemies, even if you dont do BVR.
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Just so you are aware my position is that the Abrams is an equal to the Leopard 2a7v.
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Cool joke. And so is the Ariete AMV.
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Care to add anything to the discussion?
For the most part we’ve been very civil in this discourse so far. Which is actually quite rare in top tier tank discussion
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With someone as neglectful to not concede a single point as you? Surely not.
Being disingenuous is not a civil behavior, disguise it as such if you like, if that is your belief.
I already conceded the Leopard 2a7v wins on the armor front. By how much is what I’m contesting.
https://warthunder.com/en/tournament/replay/289497498880860196?public_key=UOWlwLc8M1wOUKRPSEy9
Here is replay 1 using a 2a7v variant (strv 122b) let me know if it doesn’t work, as for the weirdness in my gameplay, well;
This isn’t indicative of all results of course, this is just me testing to make sure this works in the first place.
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I think the t90m is very survivable, it’s just not STRV or 2a7 survivable
The rest I absolutely agree with.
I’m actually more worried seeing that 60 FPS cap.
My PC is not a NASA machine, that’s for certain.
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Nothing wrong with it though, it’s more than playable at 60fps lol