Just here to ask, have you guys that play top tier US (or like me, play countries such as Israel who is MM locked to US) experienced a catastrophic winrate crash today? like, usually it’s around 35-40%, which is already horrific, but now… my god. It’s unplayable. Every single match is a 3-4 minute blowout back to the spawn.
Never seen anything like it.
Let’s clarify thermals, so the 2a7v, German and Hungarian, the SEP and SEP v2, and the M1a1 AIM I suppose all have at least 2nd gen thermal imagers, everything I didn’t mention in terms of Abrams tanks and Leopard 2a7 models do not have gen 2 thermals.
they will add F-22 before SEPv3 at this rate
when was last time abrams got meaningful new tank? the M1A2 5 years ago.
where was the US air tree 5 years ago? F-4C
where is it now? F-15E
with the meaningless SEPv2 effectively pushing back the timer, it isnt unfeasible to expect F-22 at the same time or even before the SEPv3
I’m sorry but these are both sorts patently false, but I will say that one response I will make is anecdotal while the other is factual.
The weak points don’t do the same damage and don’t exist in the same places on an Abrams vs a Leo.
How often do you side shot an Abrams and the turret ring works fine? Absolutely almost never. Any shot that goes internal from any angle is normally including your turret ring. It’s so common for a Leo to eat a side pen missile of tank and the turret ring is fine. This is anecdotal but I think most people agree with this. This will not happen to you in an Abrams, most pens take your turret ring out. I’m very familiar with this after maining US, then switching to Russia, then trying Sweden and now falling into my comfortable tree, Japan.
The second point, the leo2 is is META at whatever it does. It has better thermals than the Sep, which means better and more accurate target detection and acquisitions at rage to hit more precisely, with a dart that pens more.
The the Leo can do everything and Abrams can do except sprint across the map as fast. It does all this while being better in just about every category except top speed and reload, which with an ace crew is still better than Russian and Chinese tanks.
Every match i had as china against USA today i got absolutely stomped.into the dirt.
Went sweden 10.3 and was paired with US in uptiers and won 4 games.
Its so weird for me, if i play USA but ill lose
This is factual, they are different tanks, however, they both exist, both can incapacitate (not will, this goes for both tanks, but the can is relevant here) and are both large enough for any player to reasonably take them out.
Sepv3 has trophy does it not?
Im trying to think of any reason they arent going to just copy paste the V2 and give it trophy slightly different TUSK and call it a V3
They have 6s aced reload.
has better armor, and trophy, and hopefully will recieve a better dart
Huh thought it was 6.5 last i looked.
Im at 7.0 roughly expert
Leo 2 is not a better flanker or brawler, as for the thermal imaging, I did clarify, it’s a mixed bag.
Not with those angle nerfs for the engine deck
For the depression
Trophy has been nerfed (Or bugged?) so hard it’s not even worth having anymore unfortunately. It’s been relegated to morale support confetti status
As for the thermal imaging themselves, I mentioned at least 2nd gen as with 3rd gen the benefits you gain over 2nd gen aren’t noticable unless you’re actively looking for them, wheras 2nd over 1st gen is very noticable, that’s why I phrased it as such
I will tell you in simple words the only thing the United States lacks are good players and a new anti-aircraft and nothing else is more due to the skill of each United States player.
I don’t understand how better hull armor, better frontal weak spots, better low speed acceleration and better survivability in case of pen would make the Abrams a better brawler than a Strv or 2a7.
Frontally you have a whole green space to shoot except turret cheeks and UFP auto bounce, which I’m pretty sure is 50% divisible into area that auto bounces into the turret ring.
All my arguing isn’t even to buff US, because no buff will take away prem spam players. It was just my main nation for 2000 games I think. So I have the most experience with it.
I’ll go take a look at the low speed acceleration, as well as the turret rotation speed before I bring those into the equation, but having a better firing arc, better reload speed, and better ability to find favorable positions and force the enemy to push them due to higher speed overall is major, but allow me to take a look at turret rotation speed and the difference in low speed acceleration as well, as if these are in the Leopard 2s favor greatly, I may alter my opinion slightly.
It would be helpful if I could see where the low speed acceleration stat is coming from and by how much it is in the Leopard’s favor according to said tests.
Of note, horizontal turret rotation speed between Leo 2a7v and Abrams Sep V2 are identical.
I’m pretty sure necron has it somewhere on here. Though going to find it would probably be a much longer process than just trying it yourself. I think it takes till about 20-30km before your accelerations level and Abrams starts over taking. So in city locations, close quarters brawling, you can get in and out of positions better.
Ask @MotorolaCRO or @UniqueScorpions or one of the other dudes who plays RU a lot. I’m pretty sure I’ve always seen them in the Abrams threads when big discussions take place. They might remember it more clearly.
With the most recent nerf, the look behind is worse than an Abrams, but it’s like being the smartest kid with Down syndrome. You’re both retards and can’t look behind you.
Alright, then for the time being I’ll leave that point aside, I won’t just assume you’re wrong due to not having the source ready, but if it winds up being unnoticable, I’d probably just leave it as minor enough that it doesn’t count as a point for either vehicle.
But this is just me taking the Abrams and trying to compare it to what people largely think is the strongest MBT in the game, and again, you get a lot more Abrams roughly equal to the SEP in everything except imaging, as outside of the M1a1 AIM, which does have a worse round, most Abrams with the 120mm are identical minus the thermal imaging, there is only 1 Leopard 2a7v in Germany or Italy, and 3 in Sweden, but they all lack Thermal imaging and have a worse round than the Ger/Hun 2a7vs and Abrams.
And the fact that I can even compare them as relative equals is pretty clear indication that the US mbt line is definitely not the reason for the US winrates being by far the worst of any nation, lineup wise as a whole package, I don’t think anything beats the US.
Makes me sad to read tbis considering im going for the merkavas